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Old 10-13-2007, 04:10 PM
Fantam Fantam is offline
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Default ATs makes middle pair

I had not been at this table for very long and so did not really have any good reads, when I played this hand.

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Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero calls, MP1 calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, CO calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (5 SB) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, Hero...?

With 2 players yet to act after me on a co-ordinated flop, was this a pretty standard flop bet with MPTK ?
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Old 10-13-2007, 04:20 PM
B2_eBoogaloo B2_eBoogaloo is offline
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Default Re: ATs makes middle pair

OK bet flop, but i would probably pfr 8-handed next to act preflop.
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Old 10-13-2007, 04:32 PM
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Default Re: ATs makes middle pair

raise pf bet flop
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Old 10-13-2007, 04:33 PM
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Default Re: ATs makes middle pair

Is checking horribly weak and if so why? Thanks for anyone who feels like explaining this.
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Old 10-13-2007, 04:37 PM
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Default Re: ATs makes middle pair

Pretty easy raise preflop, and another easy flop bet. You've got the club draw out there, bet out and you'll get one or two callers hopefully with a flush draw, increasing pot size and obviously more $$ for you.

Without your raise preflop, you have just callers, meaning nobody has real strength here. A jack is very possible, but I doubt it'd be anything higher than J9 and with any over card on the turn/river you would be able to move them out.

Checking isn't really incredibly weak, but I think it is weak. You're just leaving the door open for the flush draw and any K Q as well.
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Old 10-13-2007, 04:42 PM
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Default Re: ATs makes middle pair

thanks J, that makes sense, especially when the consideration of bluffing a K or Q comes in, you can't do it if you check.
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Old 10-13-2007, 05:29 PM
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Default Re: ATs makes middle pair

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raise pf bet flop

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Agreed. As played, you should still bet the flop.

-J
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Old 10-13-2007, 08:26 PM
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Default Re: ATs makes middle pair

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OK bet flop, but i would probably pfr 8-handed next to act preflop.

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Thanks for all the responses.

Looks like I need to up my pf and postflop agression. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

Thanks guys. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
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Old 10-13-2007, 09:27 PM
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Default Re: ATs makes middle pair

raise preflop, bet flop..bet flop even as played

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A jack is very possible, but I doubt it'd be anything higher than J9 and with any over card on the turn/river you would be able to move them out.

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just a comment here....most people holding J9 in this spot will NOT fold the river for one bet if a K or Q hits at 0.5/1
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Old 10-13-2007, 09:36 PM
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Default Re: ATs makes middle pair

Well, maybe not at 0.5/1, but I usually give advice on poker in general, without taking notice of the limits. But I suppose you're right, chances are they would call.
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