Monster draw that comes up short (Nl1000)

[luckybacon]

i think id just push the river probably

also i dont like a turn c/r at all, seems like any hand hes bet/calling the turn.

[markuisis]

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turn c/r kinda sucks if villain is any good because he shouldn't be b/f AJ or something. I like a lead here.

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I guess lead isnt bad as we still have decent fold fold equity if he has 8s, maybe nines or tens if he isnt 3betting them pf. But I still think c/raising is good - hes gonna be betting his draws usually won't he? - c/r gets him off that when leads dont always, if he bets aj - which he will a certain amount of the time, I dont c how he can call a c/raise and if we lead and get raised it is very ugly. Plus i dont mind it getting checked through really.

[captainwacky]

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also
pot/overbet flop
pot/overbet (shove turn)

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this is so pointless unless you do this as your normal line.....

[LouisCyphre]

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Anyone check-raises the flop?

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I don't. There is no guarantee that the CO will bet. A bet from you might take the pot right there and you have a lot of equity.

If you want to lead the turn it might be better to bet less so you have a better stack-to-pot ratio for a bluff on the river.

[annex21]

i like a turn bet because it folds out and pps or weak pairs that might be floating (or if he is just floating with nothing in position), it's hard to put him on a draw here and I don't think he is folding an ace on the river, which at this point he almost surely has AQ, AJ, AT.

It sucks but I think you just have to give up. He seems solid and by calling turn he has committed and I don't think the whole leveling is going to work here.

[Black winter day]

So, we are checking the river, right?

[gir]

c/f river. There were 4 players to the flop.

[Black winter day]

3 actually.
And i don't put him on a set, he'd raise at some point.
It's AT-AQ or higher FD.

[c_hoop]

i think checking and giving up is fine but sometimes i mix in a bluff. it's pretty unlikely that villian has anything more than Ax. AJ/AQ i think are at the top of his range. he probably calls a fair amount of the time but depending on the flow of the game and with a tighter image a bluff is good.

[23act]

if u had like 400 on river i shove river for sure - he has mediumish A or FD very often. i just dont think your 380 gets the job done enough