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Old 10-18-2007, 02:54 PM
jlp_2908 jlp_2908 is offline
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Default 10NL KK vs ALL-in big stack on my 4bet

Party Poker, $0.05/$0.10 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 9 Players
LegoPoker Hand History Converter

MP1: $1.75
MP2: $22.71
CO: $4.40
BTN: $10.35
SB: $6.18
BB: $2
UTG: $10.38
Hero (UTG+1): $15.11
UTG+2: $13.22

Pre-Flop: K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (UTG+1)
UTG folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $0.40</font>, <font color="red">UTG+2 raises to $1.20</font>, 5 folds, <font color="red">BB raises to $2 and is All-In</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $3.50</font>, <font color="red">UTG+2 raises to $13.22 and is All-In</font>, Hero ???

This is where I should have played for set value but find it very hard to fold the missed flop instead of re-raising, right?
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Old 10-18-2007, 03:01 PM
MadMike MadMike is offline
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Default Re: KK vs ALL-in big stack on my 4bet

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Old 10-18-2007, 03:02 PM
SunyD SunyD is offline
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Default Re: KK vs ALL-in big stack on my 4bet

Your 4bet raise was very weak. I'd make it at least 5.50 - 6. Do you have any reads on UTG+2? I can't recommend folding Kings. Call.
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Old 10-18-2007, 03:07 PM
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Default Re: KK vs ALL-in big stack on my 4bet

No you don't play for set value, you play for stack value.
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Old 10-18-2007, 03:11 PM
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Default Re: KK vs ALL-in big stack on my 4bet

LOl set value.
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Old 10-18-2007, 03:32 PM
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Default Re: KK vs ALL-in big stack on my 4bet

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This is where I should have played for set value but find it very hard to fold the missed flop instead of re-raising, right?

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Huh? Was there more to the hand you intended to post but accidentally didn't? I ask because your comment infers something about a flop and surely you didnt intend to fold KK pre flop in a cash game with these stacks.
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Old 10-18-2007, 03:48 PM
br.bm br.bm is offline
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Default Re: KK vs ALL-in big stack on my 4bet

this is NL10
raise preflop as much as you can with QQ+
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Old 10-18-2007, 03:58 PM
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Default Re: KK vs ALL-in big stack on my 4bet

its AA check the chat thread for proof
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Old 10-18-2007, 04:15 PM
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Default Re: KK vs ALL-in big stack on my 4bet

Its 10NL, get it all in. If UTG+2 has AA oh well. By the way, if you could see UTG+2s cards and he had AA, you are not getting "set value" here.
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Old 10-18-2007, 04:29 PM
jlp_2908 jlp_2908 is offline
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Default Re: KK vs ALL-in big stack on my 4bet

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Its 10NL, get it all in. If UTG+2 has AA oh well. By the way, if you could see UTG+2s cards and he had AA, you are not getting "set value" here.

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OK, the results, I shouldnt say, is he did have AA but I hit my K on the flop.
BUT regarding set value, lets say you had a 1 in 10 chance (even make the odds worse for flopping a set for arguments sake) its only .80 cents to call his weak 3bet from the original 40 cents I put in....assuming he did have AA and he would call his whole stack if the KK hit thats around $13.00 plus the $2.00 that the small stack had. Are those not good enough odds for set value, or do you need something better?
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