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Old 11-29-2007, 06:30 PM
1fineday 1fineday is offline
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Default You wake up and... remember nothing about poker

Hi, everybody!
I'm asking you for advice.

I want you to turn on your imagination and picture a situation in your mind. Ready?)

Just imagine, tomorrow you will wake up and forget almost EVERYTHING about poker. Maybe some basic skills will not leave you, but let's say tomorrow smth will happen and your skills will be enough only to a win slightly at NL25 and break even at NL50.

This was the bad news. The good news: today you can write a letter to yourself or just a list of things you should do to learn in a fast and effective way how to play a good poker.

Doing a thing for the second time is often far more efficient than if you do it for the first time.

For example, I used to play Lineage II for about 6 month and now I know what exactly I should do to increase the level of my character to one of the highest. Now I think I can manage this goal for 2 month only, but it took about 6 months when I did it for the first time- all because now I have a wider view and know what skills to improve and when.

There are many ways to gain a "high level" at poker, but not all of them are efficient. How would you organize your study if you had to increase your level once again?

For example:

1. Post 10 hands on the forum per week/every week
2. Play 10K hands a week/every week
3. Read FAQ on 2p2/when done perform #4
4. Read HOH 1,2/when done perform #5
5. Watch stocktrader's videos/when done perform #6
6. ...
7. ...
8. .....
.......

I hope this will help many of us to increase our level and would really appreciate if you leave your thoughts here


P.S. Didn't know where to post it, decided to do it here after all. If you know a better place, please move it =)
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Old 11-29-2007, 06:52 PM
TheJackale TheJackale is offline
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Default Re: You wake up and... remember nothing about poker

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Just imagine, tomorrow you will wake up and forget almost EVERYTHING about poker. Maybe some basic skills will not leave you, but let's say tomorrow smth will happen and your skills will be enough only to a win slightly at NL25 and break even at NL50.

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This sounds like every day of my life.
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Old 11-29-2007, 07:00 PM
DanJ. DanJ. is offline
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Default Re: You wake up and... remember nothing about poker

hmmm pretty much

1. Read 2p2.

lol, i remember when i first played poker i knew about 2p2 but wouldnt read it coz i was too newb to know how to get out of flat mode, and flat mode is crazy retarded so i was just like [censored] this im not going to read 2p2.

Then i woke up one day and wasnt a newb, started reading the boards and my game pretty much skyrocketed.

Of course, i did have the help of coaching sites like CR and now LP but most of my improvement came from here i think.
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Old 11-29-2007, 07:19 PM
1fineday 1fineday is offline
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Default Re: You wake up and... remember nothing about poker

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hmmm pretty much

1. Read 2p2.

lol, i remember when i first played poker i knew about 2p2 but wouldnt read it coz i was too newb to know how to get out of flat mode, and flat mode is crazy retarded so i was just like [censored] this im not going to read 2p2.

Then i woke up one day and wasnt a newb, started reading the boards and my game pretty much skyrocketed.

Of course, i did have the help of coaching sites like CR and now LP but most of my improvement came from here i think.

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And what if you had to write a note to yourself, what would you write? "Read 2p2, visit CR and LP"?
That's all?=)
I really very much want you, guys, to write what EXACTLY you should do to improve the most effectively.

Maybe you spent plenty of your time on site XXX, but it didn't really help you, but when you read a book"YYY" it increased your level very much, so if you had to learn for the second time, you would just read this book
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Old 11-29-2007, 07:25 PM
DJ Sensei DJ Sensei is offline
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Default Re: You wake up and... remember nothing about poker

oh god i'd have to get a real job
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Old 11-29-2007, 07:25 PM
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Default Re: You wake up and... remember nothing about poker

I'll give you credit OP, very creative "feed me/teach me poker" post. Just play alot of hands, review them, post hands that gave you trouble, study the game on 2p2 and other places, and just think about the game alot in general. Other than that your question is too broad to answer w/o typing out insane amounts of info. It just takes time.
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Old 11-29-2007, 07:32 PM
DJ Sensei DJ Sensei is offline
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Default Re: You wake up and... remember nothing about poker

serious answer:

1) if i had money, i'd go straight to a solid coach and have a lot of sessions to get me off the ground running. And I'd balance my time about 60% playing/being coached, 10% reviewing my play/posting hands, 30% studying other posts/videos/books.

2) if i had to restart my roll, i'd split my time more along the lines of 50% playing, 20% studying my own hands, 30% studying other forms of poker learning


But i'd also make sure that poker was still fun and not too important to the rest of your life for as long as possible, the sooner you see it as work, the sooner your growth as a player will slow down (unless you have a sick work ethic/motivation)
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Old 11-29-2007, 08:08 PM
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Default Re: You wake up and... remember nothing about poker

1fineday, interesting post, some thoughts (as they come, in no particular order of importance)

1) Actually, this one is the single most important rule: preservation of capital as you start out, aka "bankroll management." If I could do one thing over, it would be to go back and stay the [censored] out of 10/20nl when my BR was only 10k or something. Only way to beat the game for the long-term is not to go broke in the short-term, and that's virtually guaranteed to happen if 20%+ of your BR is on the table at any given time.

...now that I've assured myself of surviving and staying in the game for the long-term, I can start thinking how to improve the fastest. To that end:

2) Sign up for CR's and take an hour/day to watch their videos and take quick notes while I'm at it, goes hand in hand w. reading/posting on 2p2. Limit to posting is 1 hand/day, beyond that you start becoming a nuisance.

3) ...then set a goal of #/hands per day I want to play - # of hands is a lot more important than actual $ amounts since those will fluctuate with variance and in the short run isn't really under your control anyway, while how many hands you put in is the actual money in the long run.

4) Debrief after completing a playing session: go back and look at HH's and try to spot my own and the regulars' leaks. Far more effective when you're away from the tables since you can be a lot more objective.

...I think if I started from the beginning and did these things - and it's really, really hard to do all of them consistently, it requires a lot more discipline than the majority of people (perhaps myself included) possess - you would rip through 25nl - 50nl within the first 2 months, and go from there. Ummm, yeah that's it for now.

Kirk
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