10/20 - K7s - Everybody was kung fu fighting! dodododood

Heisenb3rg · #1 09-13-2007, 03:49 AM

...those kicks were fast as lightning.. In fact it was a little bit frieghtening.. Oo oooooooo

SB is "play tight" stars reg.. 32/18ish style, not incredible but definitly good. Can make some questionable plays from time to time, but plays well overall.. Calls from the SB with a wide broadway range...

UTG+1 is a crappy player , but plays really randomly agro at times... 40/15/1.8 type

If playtight has a king its better than mine, and he MAY be able to lay down K9/KJ/KQ to a 3-bet. Action?

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Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $10/$20
6 players
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Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is CO with 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
UTG folds, UTG+1 calls, Hero raises, Button folds, SB calls, BB folds, UTG+1 calls.

Flop: T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (7SB, 3 players)
SB checks, UTG+1 checks, Hero bets, SB calls, UTG+1 calls.

Turn: K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (5BB, 3 players)
SB bets, UTG+1 raises, Hero gets really angry....

milesdyson · #2 09-13-2007, 03:58 AM

flop c-bet questionable on that board.

i'd insta-fold turn and don't care much. sb often has a K. unless you can give good examples of utg+1 getting waaaay out of line, your hand sucks against his range. so 3-betting to get sb to fold a K is out of the question imo.

Heisenb3rg · #3 09-13-2007, 04:09 AM

Examples of him getting out of line.. These are all in 50 hands. Notice the pattern of him getting agressive with good draws [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

Villain is UTG+1

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Limit: $10/$20
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Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is CO with T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
UTG folds, UTG+1 calls, Hero raises, Button calls, SB calls, BB folds, UTG+1 calls.

Flop: T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (9SB, 4 players)
SB bets, UTG+1 raises, Hero 3-bets, Button folds, SB calls, UTG+1 calls.

Turn: J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (9BB, 3 players)
SB bets, UTG+1 raises, Hero folds, SB 3-bets, UTG+1 calls.

River: 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (15BB, 2 players)
SB bets, UTG+1 calls.

Results:
Final pot: 17BB
SB showed Ah 2h
UTG+1 mucks Kh Ts

Villain is CO

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Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is Button with J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
UTG folds, CO calls, Hero raises, 2 folds, CO calls.

Flop: 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (5.5SB, 2 players)
CO checks, Hero bets, CO raises, Hero calls.

Turn: 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4.75BB, 2 players)
CO bets, Hero raises, CO 3-bets, Hero calls.

River: 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (10.75BB, 2 players)
CO bets, Hero calls.

Results:
Final pot: 12.75BB
CO showed Kd Td

Villain is CO

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Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is Button with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
UTG folds, CO calls, Hero raises, SB calls, BB folds, CO calls.

Flop: 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (7SB, 3 players)
SB checks, CO checks, Hero bets, SB raises, CO calls, Hero calls.

Turn: 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (6.5BB, 3 players)
SB bets, CO calls, Hero folds.

River: 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (8.5BB, 2 players)
SB bets, CO calls.

Results:
Final pot: 10.5BB
SB showed Td Ks
CO mucks Ah 2s

milesdyson · #4 09-13-2007, 04:13 AM

those hands just make me a little angrier as i fold [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Leader · #5 09-13-2007, 04:14 AM

I think you really have to know these guys well to 3-bet here. Just doing some quick math in my head, it seems like UTG+1 has got to have a draw/air almost half the time if SB always has a K and folds because UTG+1 will also suck out a good amount. In reality, SB sometimes doesn't fold or has a set/2 pair in which case UTG+1 has to have more and more draws. At a certain point, that just doesn't work any more.

I think it's a fold.

edit: well if he has tx or 8x here a lot it's probably a lot closer.

Wolfram · #6 09-13-2007, 05:51 AM

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Turn: K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (5BB, 3 players)
SB bets, UTG+1 raises, Hero gets really angry.... and folds

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Completed Your Post.

Raising in this spot is fps. Sure, when it works you'll feel like a superman and that you read souls, but I seriously doubt that your read is accurate engough to make this +EV.

Tryptamean · #7 09-13-2007, 09:19 AM

I agree with what was said by previous posters and I wasn't going to reply here before going to bed. But goddamnit you got that song stuck in my head now.

Heisenb3rg · #8 09-13-2007, 04:09 PM

I agree with everyone.... hoping someone would bust out some math how im doing vs all the millions of draw combos + hands better than me... I was planning to not bet the river if checked to as well.

J9, QJ, K2-K6, 56 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
J9, QJ,56 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

are all real possibilities (altho the j9's and 56 diamonds are weighted down)

I obv 3-bet based on the tone of my post, playtight folded, villain 4-bet.. I grit my teeth and called down.. [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

Villain showed KJo and I got owned harder than Ive ever gotten owned... Playtight was berating me for a long time saying I was a fish etc... (he layed down KQ).

Had I known villain was caapble of 4betting KJ and betting the river, I made a huge mistake [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

ZOMG_RIGGED! · #9 09-13-2007, 04:16 PM

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Playtight was berating me for a long time saying I was a fish etc...

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Hasnt this been a recurring theme lately? [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]
didnt i just read a thread somewhere about two other guy sbitching you ou ton the tables?

sethypooh21 · #10 09-13-2007, 04:18 PM

Turbo muck.

I'm somewhat indifferent to the C-bet - you have the best hand a fair amount, but neither guy is folding, like ever.