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#11
10-02-2007, 04:20 PM
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Re: .25/.50 weak ace on a scary board.
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Yeah, but what does a call really mean here ? [/ QUOTE ] "I have a hand that hit this board." Unknowns don't call on ace-high boards without the ace, and if he's got an ace you're hoping for a chop. 
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#12
10-02-2007, 04:32 PM
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Re: .25/.50 weak ace on a scary board.
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[ QUOTE ] Yeah, but what does a call really mean here ? [/ QUOTE ] "I have a hand that hit this board." Unknowns don't call on ace-high boards without the ace, and if he's got an ace you're hoping for a chop. [/ QUOTE ] If you give him that much credit, then no, you probably shouldn't raise.
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#13
10-02-2007, 04:39 PM
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Re: .25/.50 weak ace on a scary board.
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[ QUOTE ] Yeah, but what does a call really mean here ? [/ QUOTE ] "I have a hand that hit this board." Unknowns don't call on ace-high boards without the ace, and if he's got an ace you're hoping for a chop. [/ QUOTE ] Really ? With him just calling the CO's bet on the flop I honestly put him on a much broader range than Ax. I was thinking he could easily be on a flush draw or some sort of combination lower pair + flush draw, or lower pair + gutshot straight draw, or even a lower pair + gutshot straight/flush draw with something like Jc10c or Qc10c.
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#14
10-02-2007, 04:47 PM
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Re: .25/.50 weak ace on a scary board.
Help me out - why not bet it out rather than check-raise? That's a little scary board- possible str8 and flush draws. I don't have a big problem with the flop check-raise because it gives information. But wouldn't betting it outright do the same? Once button 3-bets, then you have the information and it isn't great - he/she has either a flush draw, a straight draw, or Aces along with Hero. Now what? It suddenly feels like chasing to me.
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#15
10-02-2007, 05:36 PM
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Re: .25/.50 weak ace on a scary board.
Im okay with folding preflop although if these guys are predictable idiots who payoff with weak hands then its okay to get involved I guess. I'd just donk the flop...no one raised preflop and so even though the flop LOOKs scary it isnt as scary in a limped pot.
btw Buttons call/raise after YOUR CR on flop is a STRONG move.
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#16
10-02-2007, 05:52 PM
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Re: .25/.50 weak ace on a scary board.
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The guy in the CO bets a lot of flops often with nothing or a marginal hand. [/ QUOTE ] I don't have a problem with the check-raise even with button calling along. He could be calling with a flush draw, gutshot, Kx, and maybe even Tx. Getting 3-bet sucks here and the turn card makes it really hard to fold. But I don't really believe that you get a call/3-bet here all that often.
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#17
10-02-2007, 07:19 PM
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Re: .25/.50 weak ace on a scary board.
i don't complete preflop with weak aces against more than one limper ... too dicey to play post flop
you generally aren't getting paid off by a lot of stuff and you can't really bet ragged flops to pick up the pot i probably insta-fold after BTN calls and then 3bets the flop IMO your two pair outs are pretty thin (and one of them only makes the board worse) ... also ... TP zero kicker (that likely wont play) is not raisable on the flop ... I think call'n'see is a good line (but I'm folding about half the deck on the turn) OP: since you played your hand like this ... IMO you should not play weak unsooted aces at this point (just my 2c)
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