Plan with AA against LAG?

djeric1 · #1 11-13-2007, 12:02 PM

20/40 at Borg... Hero is running super bad, but has a solid image for the most part. Villain is a good, strong, thinking LAG winner, although his opening range is admittedly, a little too wide at times. Villain also knows my tendencies well...

Folded to villain who open raises in middle position, and I 3-bet red AA in the CO, and we see a flop heads-up. Flop comes 567 2 diamonds, and villain c/calls. Turn brings a good card, an offsuit 5, and villain now check raises me. What's the plan here? Is calling down too weak? If you 3-bet, are we mucking to a 4-bet? Thanks for responses..

KitCloudkicker · #2 11-13-2007, 12:09 PM

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20/40 at Borg... Hero is running super bad, but has a solid image for the most part. Villain is a good, strong, thinking LAG winner, although his opening range is admittedly, a little too wide at times. Villain also knows my tendencies well...

Folded to villain who open raises in middle position, and I 3-bet red AA in the CO, and we see a flop heads-up. Flop comes 567 2 diamonds, and villain c/calls. Turn brings a good card, an offsuit 5, and villain now check raises me. What's the plan here? Is calling down too weak? If you 3-bet, are we mucking to a 4-bet? Thanks for responses..

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call.

i dont think 3 betting/folding to 4 is a good idea against an opponent who "knows your tendencies well."

Penner · #3 11-13-2007, 12:24 PM

I think calling is ok here because the LAG is just as likely to semi-bluff here into you here as to have you beat.

I was in this game and played many hours with this guy in the last year or so and will pay him off with any decent hand when he makes this move into me.

cgrohman · #4 11-13-2007, 12:28 PM

How about a call and then a raise on the river?

SNOWBALL · #5 11-13-2007, 12:32 PM

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How about a call and then a raise on the river?

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that's great, except for when paint comes off and he betfolds or checkcalls

We should 3bet the CR, and use our best judgment if he makes it 4.

If we think that villain won't pay off with some of his weaker made hands, then calling down is best though.

JJH3984 · #6 11-13-2007, 12:36 PM

I'd usually threebet and probably call down from there.

piggity · #7 11-13-2007, 12:36 PM

I think your hand is well ahead of LAG's range on that board, which can include medium PPs, pair+SD, FD, etc. I'd 3-bet the turn for value and muck to a 4-bet.

Softrock · #8 11-13-2007, 01:01 PM

Well, you are drawing live unless he has 55 which is unlikely. If he has a straight you have 10 outs. Even if he's full you have two sure outs and more if it's not 77. Thus, I don't want to put myself in a position where I fold with outs - therefore, I call, see the river and then decide depending on the river card and my opponents action.

piggity · #9 11-13-2007, 01:25 PM

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Well, you are drawing live unless he has 55 which is unlikely. If he has a straight you have 10 outs. Even if he's full you have two sure outs and more if it's not 77.

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HUH?

If he has a straight, you have 4 outs.
If he has 56,57,66 or 77, you have 2 outs.
If he has 55, you have 0 outs.

Moemar · #10 11-13-2007, 01:59 PM

Ok, this is what I would do.

If you are totally uncomfortable folding to a 4bet on the turn, then call turn, call river is the best.

If you think you can reliably fold to a 4bet (correctly), then I would reraise. He might just be trying to push you off of AK. (You would have three bet him with AK and continuation bet in the same manner? or no?)

Personally, against LAG payers, I would be likely to raise here, and even call down a 4 bet. I think he could be semi-bluffing here with 88, 99. (where he would have some straight outs) Or he has 67, 78, etc. If he has a set, so be it. you are still positive EV AA vs low PP over the long run in this situation.