big draw with a read 5/10

[JKratzer]

sb is a donkey table coach - i beat him earlier in a big pot and he's pretty pissed at me, calling a lot of my raises pf, trying to get a hand to bust me. he wouldn't c/r here with a draw, and probably not a 1 pair hand, unless it was something like tptk or an overpair (i haven't seen him reraise pre, i don't want to discount big pairs). also, my fe after his c/r is probably pretty close to zero. the button is an extremely loose passive player. he could have any two preflop, and call with any piece of the board, including gutshots/bottom pair/fd/etc. on the flop. if i reraise i'll probably knock out everything except 2 pair+ (which he could have, he likes to slowplay). if i call he almost certainly overcalls.

if it was just me and sb easy push, however i'd kind of like to keep button in here. is calling an option?

Poker Stars
No Limit Hold'em Cash Game
$5/$10 Blinds
6 Players
LegoPoker HH Converter

<font color="black">SB: $1,066.00</font>
BB: $1,000.00
UTG: $278.75
<font color="black">jkratzer (MP): $2,032.00</font>
CO: $1,938.50
<font color="black">BTN: $1,422.80</font>

<font color="black">Preflop:</font> jkratzer is dealt Q J (6 Players)
UTG folds, <font color="red">jkratzer raises to $40.00</font>, CO folds, BTN calls $40.00, SB calls $35.00, BB folds

<font color="black">Flop:</font> ($130) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8 T (3 Players)
SB checks, <font color="red">jkratzer bets $90.00</font>, BTN calls $90.00, <font color="red">SB raises to $280.00</font>, jkratzer..

[soah]

if you have no FE then why would you ever push this? just make a hand and bust him

[wpr101]

I'd just call here. It sounds like the donkey will go broke if you hit since you said he probably has some sort of semi-strong hand to make this move.

I'm not that worried about the button. If he had a set already I would expect him to raise the flop.

[king_of_drafts]

aghhh get it in, you have to have SOME FE if he is getting fed up with you...plus, if he shows up with AT or whatever who cares. If you call turn can get really sloppy and you might not get paid off.

[schwza]

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if you have no FE then why would you ever push this? just make a hand and bust them

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[Big_Jim]

If you had a lower flush draw with your combo draw, I think you should probably shove anyway, so you can clean up those flush outs, which is a pretty big deal.

With QJ, you'll run into your share of lower flush draws which can't get away.

Clear call if you had the NFD.

OTOH: You can't really go too wrong shoving here, with the money in the pot, and it's always nice to be seen shoving here.

[nutsflopper]

No F/E and button is sure to tag along, obv call.

[GoldenIP]

I think this is close. I think with any shorter stacks, I push. On this occasion, call and try and get it all in on the turn if you get even a tiny little bit of it.

[Anders]

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if you have no FE then why would you ever push this? just make a hand and bust him

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are you serious?

[ocklind]

I'd just call and invite the button to call w/ his 76 as well =)