AA 8k deep vs applsgirls

[plzbenice]

and i dont play anywhere near these stakes so i cant guess a range really, is this way too wide?

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31,680 games 0.062 secs 510,967 games/sec

Board: 6c 9c Jd
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 53.709% 53.71% 00.00% 17015 0.00 { AdAs }
Hand 1: 46.291% 46.29% 00.00% 14665 0.00 { KK-JJ, 99, 66, AcKc, AcQc, AcJc, AcTc, Ac8c, Ac7c, QcTc, JcTc, Tc8c, 8c7c, 7c5c }


and this way toot ight?

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24,750 games 0.005 secs 4,950,000 games/sec

Board: 6c 9c Jd
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 54.075% 52.17% 01.91% 12911 472.50 { AdAs }
Hand 1: 45.925% 44.02% 01.91% 10894 472.50 { JJ+, 99, 66, AcKc, AcQc, AcJc }


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[raptor517]

snapshove ldo

[DJ Pattiecake]

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does it really matter if we call and then shove a blank turn or just shove now? first of all we dont know exactly what is a blank turn since there is a lot of straight draws there and all combodraws have odds to call a shove on the turn anyway, against an A-high flushdraw its true but it only has 36-38% equity anyway so were quite happy about getting it in now no?


and folding is never an option here? villain has too marginal setminingodds preflop because hero is also reraising wide?

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set mining doesn't work against good lags, there is no point to check/folding 66 on a sixless jack high flop when your opp is reraising w 87s. There is also no point in waiting for sets b/c the reraiser will not pay the miner off with his weak holdings.

[plzbenice]

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does it really matter if we call and then shove a blank turn or just shove now? first of all we dont know exactly what is a blank turn since there is a lot of straight draws there and all combodraws have odds to call a shove on the turn anyway, against an A-high flushdraw its true but it only has 36-38% equity anyway so were quite happy about getting it in now no?


and folding is never an option here? villain has too marginal setminingodds preflop because hero is also reraising wide?

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set mining doesn't work against good lags, there is no point to check/folding 66 on a sixless jack high flop when your opp is reraising w 87s. There is also no point in waiting for sets b/c the reraiser will not pay the miner off with his weak holdings.

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yeah thats what i wrote/meant. so then folding is never an option and i think clearly allin is better for reasons stated above.
what is the rpoblem in this hand that i dont see?

[plzbenice]

and what is his rnage here anyway?

[Stinger88]

didn't feel like thinking about poker on Thanksgiving, good thing I only came to this thread....wtf shove

[NMcNasty]

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and i dont play anywhere near these stakes so i cant guess a range really, is this way too wide?

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

31,680 games 0.062 secs 510,967 games/sec

Board: 6c 9c Jd
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 53.709% 53.71% 00.00% 17015 0.00 { AdAs }
Hand 1: 46.291% 46.29% 00.00% 14665 0.00 { KK-JJ, 99, 66, AcKc, AcQc, AcJc, AcTc, Ac8c, Ac7c, QcTc, JcTc, Tc8c, 8c7c, 7c5c }


and this way toot ight?

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

24,750 games 0.005 secs 4,950,000 games/sec

Board: 6c 9c Jd
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 54.075% 52.17% 01.91% 12911 472.50 { AdAs }
Hand 1: 45.925% 44.02% 01.91% 10894 472.50 { JJ+, 99, 66, AcKc, AcQc, AcJc }


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Both ranges are way too tight. There's no reason villain can't be doing this with a really weak draw or even complete air here. I think I like shoving just cuz im still uncomfortable check-folding to a club turn.

[AB_illusive]

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snapshove ldo

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[stephenNUTS]

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I hate waiting til the turn. Do any of your decisions change if board is 79J instead of 69J?

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A agree 100% and after his $3100 RR I assume you are NOT folding anyway...so getting it in here is fine.
If he is drawing ,at least make him pay for it,and you still have some FE as well,...and if he flopped a set it sucks

I've also found playing with these SUPER LAG types in these situations OOP...that the turn card on boards like this can HELP him ,waaaay more than helping you(in more ways than one)

Just SHOVE
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[jfish]

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get it in, especially cause u dont have the Ac.

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