NL10: Recently active JJ against trip ace board

RapidEvolution · #1 09-02-2007, 02:38 PM

I'd raised the last 4 hands pre-flop (Though I'm 15/9 overall), so I gave my opponent a wider calling range than usual. If re-raised PF, I think I can get away on the flop, but the smooth call confused me a bit.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (7 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

MP1 ($14.50)
Hero ($14.15)
CO ($6.95)
Button ($3.60)
SB ($12.45)
BB ($10.20)
UTG ($10)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
2 folds, Hero raises to $0.35, 2 folds, SB calls $0.30, 1 fold.

Flop: ($0.80) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks.
 Should I bet here to define where I am? I figure my jacks are good here, unless villain called with A-x OOP. 

Turn: ($0.80) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.5, SB raises to $1.5, Hero calls $1.

 When he check-raises I start leaning towards the smaller pairs or maybe K-7? I figured that the (roughly) 2-1 odds were good enough to call here.

River: ($3.80) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
 With the 3rd ace hitting, I'm even more confident that I'm ahead, but not enough to re-raise. 

SB bets $2, Hero calls $2.

Final Pot: $7.80

Any suggestions are welcome for any/all streets. Also, how big a bet would you be willing to call on the river?

ship_it_trebek · #2 09-02-2007, 02:50 PM

I'm betting the flop otherwise it looks fine

WantToLearn · #3 09-02-2007, 02:58 PM

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I figured that the (roughly) 2-1 odds were good enough to call here.

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Don´t forget you might have to call another bet, and you are very unlikely to improve. So it´s not really like 2-1 in the end.

RapidEvolution · #4 09-02-2007, 03:04 PM

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I figured that the (roughly) 2-1 odds were good enough to call here.

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Don´t forget you might have to call another bet, and you are very unlikely to improve. So it´s not really like 2-1 in the end.

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I was talking specifically about the pot odds on seeing the turn. I needed to pay $1 into a pot of $1.80.

Yeah trebek...in retrospect, betting out on the flop definitely is better. The previous hands I referred to in the OP were all taken down by me. 2 were folded pre-flop and 2 were taken down by c-bets. Even so, it's still probably a better line since if I bet flop and get raised, I can re-raise and fold to a shove (I suppose?) which might be cheaper. I'm still a bit fuzzy as to the best line given my recent history at the table.

jessyj07 · #5 09-02-2007, 03:10 PM

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I figured that the (roughly) 2-1 odds were good enough to call here.

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Don´t forget you might have to call another bet, and you are very unlikely to improve. So it´s not really like 2-1 in the end.

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I was talking specifically about the pot odds on seeing the turn. I needed to pay $1 into a pot of $1.80.

[/ QUOTE ]this is what he was talking about to. You can't really call it 2:1 because there will likely be a river bet. If the hand ended on that bet then it is 2:1

edit again: your math is also off. you have to pay $1 to win $2.80(.80+.50+1.50) so you're actually getting 2.8:1.

RapidEvolution · #6 09-02-2007, 03:15 PM

My mistake...I was looking at seeing the turn in a vacuum as opposed to the odds on seeing both the turn and the river. I understand figuring the river bet on pot odds to make it to showdown, but I thought this was a situation where I could call, then re-evaluate on the river (especially if a Q or K comes down as these are the only cards that change my winning hand to a loser, if I'm ahead at this point.

UGH!!! You know, for a math major I make some pretty f'd up math mistakes when I post here lol. TY jessy.