10/20 - OOP, 3bet by LAG, missed bets?

Hectathrill · #1 07-26-2007, 12:39 AM

Hi, this is my first post here ... thanks for patience in advance. Just wondering if some people could give me advice on a hand on which I think I missed a few bets.

I'm in seat 6, playing a little more aggressive than usual. LAG is in seat 10, capable of raising any 2 cards & 3-betting with any ace/any pair preflop, jams the cheap streets but slows down on the turn/river. Seat 8 is a lesser LAG, everyone else is tight passive - result is that most pots are contested between the 3 of us.

(Preflop: I have K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img])
I raise UTG, folds to Villain in seat 10, Villain 3-bets, folds to me, blinds fold, I call.

(Flop: J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7.5 small bets)
I bet, Villain raises, I call.

(Turn: K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5.75 big bets)
I check, Villain checks.

(River: 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5.75 big bets)
I bet, Villain calls.

KitCloudkicker · #2 07-26-2007, 12:40 AM

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slows down on the turn/river.

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bet the turn DUCY?

PokerBob · #3 07-26-2007, 12:44 AM

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Hi, this is my first post here ... thanks for patience in advance. Just wondering if some people could give me advice on a hand on which I think I missed a few bets.

I'm in seat 6, playing a little more aggressive than usual. LAG is in seat 10, capable of raising any 2 cards & 3-betting with any ace/any pair preflop, jams the cheap streets but slows down on the turn/river. Seat 8 is a lesser LAG, everyone else is tight passive - result is that most pots are contested between the 3 of us.

(Preflop: I have K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img])
I raise UTG, folds to Villain in seat 10, Villain 3-bets, folds to me, blinds fold, I call.

(Flop: J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7.5 small bets)
I bet, Villain raises, I call.

(Turn: K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5.75 big bets)
I check, Villain checks.

(River: 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5.75 big bets)
I bet, Villain calls.

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donk that turn. and why do i care about seat 8? [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

private joker · #4 07-26-2007, 12:50 AM

Why did you donk the flop? Donk the turn instead since, like, you made your hand.

PokerBob · #5 07-26-2007, 12:51 AM

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Why did you donk the flop? Donk the turn instead since, like, you made your hand.

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wow. i just noticed that. don't bet there.

mongidig · #6 07-26-2007, 01:04 AM

Since the villian likes to ram and jam the flop I think checking and calling is the correct play. Against a more subdued opponent I don't mind the flop bet since you may be able to fold out smaller pocket pairs or naked Aces.

Bet the turn.

korrupt106 · #7 07-26-2007, 04:07 AM

Once you donk the flop and call his raise, he's going to check any turn where his hand isn't beating you over the head. I think if you take this line on the flop you might want to consider 3betting if you think he has AIR, like your intro indicated he could (jam the cheap streets, 3bet light etc) and just leading the turn where most air will give up. As played I think I donk the turn again because he's checking what beats you and betting what doesn't again. CRing here isn't a viable option IMO because there are a bunch of hands that he will 3bet you with that have you beat, and if you c/r here and get 3bet you'll have to fold (or help me make a living). I don't like the donk, but if you're going to do it, go all out.

Bad Lobster · #8 07-26-2007, 06:58 AM

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(Preflop: I have K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img])
I raise UTG, folds to Villain in seat 10, Villain 3-bets, folds to me, blinds fold, I call.

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That's pretty weak stuff to be raising with from under the gun. You'd probably do better if you decided to be the only tight aggressive player in the game.

ProfessorBen · #9 07-26-2007, 10:17 AM

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(Preflop: I have K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img])
I raise UTG, folds to Villain in seat 10, Villain 3-bets, folds to me, blinds fold, I call.

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That's pretty weak stuff to be raising with from under the gun. You'd probably do better if you decided to be the only tight aggressive player in the game.

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Saying this without knowing how many players are at the table is pretty pointless and possibly even incorrect.

Mr Rick · #10 07-26-2007, 10:40 AM

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(Preflop: I have K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img])
I raise UTG, folds to Villain in seat 10, Villain 3-bets, folds to me, blinds fold, I call.

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That's pretty weak stuff to be raising with from under the gun. You'd probably do better if you decided to be the only tight aggressive player in the game.

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Saying this without knowing how many players are at the table is pretty pointless and possibly even incorrect.

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As described OP is the only tight aggressive player there anyway. Most others are tight passive so I raise every time with KQo UTG. Especially getting re-raised by LAG with any A/pair to take out the blinds and make his hand obvious.