Odd tapping the aquarium situation

[AKQJ10]

As we all should know (and as was brought up on this recent thread like trillions before it), you should do everything you can to make a fish feel right at home. But what about this situation, from Friday in the Foxwoods $1-2 NL? I'll try to get the details as correct as possible, especially as they impact the story, but feel free to skip them and just substitute your own image of a bad beat where Hero gets all the money in with the edge.

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My stack is $200, and I cover the relevant opponent.
QQ in MP, I raise to $15, get about four callers.

Flop is three sparse undercards with two diamonds. I check in 2nd position expecting to get a bet from a big Jamaican-sounding guy on the button. Indeed he bets, about $25 (?), and I raise to $100. He thinks for a second and calls.

The turn is a black jack, and I bet my remaining $100 and get a quick call.

Of course the river is a diamond or this wouldn't be a thinly veiled bad beat post. </font> The point isn't the beat, though, but Villain's reaction. As I'm sitting there very calmly, he starts ranting to me. "You think you were going to get me out of the pot with that flop raise when I had two diamonds? Maybe if you'd gone all in!"

What's the least -EV way to reply? I just smiled and said softly and in all sincerity, "No, sir, I wasn't trying to get you out. I'm glad that you called and got a good gamble. Congratulations, you made a good hand!"

My neighbors at the table concurred that they thought he felt guilty for making his draw. I can say that once in a similar situation to him online (having hit a draw that I knew I didn't have odds to chase), I launched into some out of character trash talk to maximize my "tilt implied odds".

At any rate, it was a bizarre scene with this fellow chewing me out for not blowing him out of the pot and me congratulating him on his good fortune, but I'm open to suggestions as to how to handle it.

[bernie]

Why not just smile and agree with him? Doesn't matter if he's right or wrong. Let him think that he's the best.

Yknow, alot of people should watch how casinos treat their patrons. Like the regular players that are usually blowing money at the big wheel or the roulette table. But what do the casinos do for them when they are winning? Bitch 'em out and tell them they shouldn't play this game? No. What's funny is, alot of poker players will berate the donators when they're hitting their longshots, while the casinos give them comps. It's a mentality to ponder using if one is having trouble with beats.

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[Hotrod0823]

Similar situation came up last week when I was there on Monday.

It was a family pot and I limped on the button with the rest of the table with 76s in hearts.

Flop comes 67Q with 2 diamonds, UTG bets out 20, its min raised to 40, then called by the Fishy (any A kinda guy, any draw etc). Action is on me and I pushed my bottom 2 about 140.

UTG folds and a sold women that min raised thinks and thinks and wasn't happy with my push. I had her covered but just barely. She agonized and finally folded after counting the pot and calculating her odds she pretty much announced to the table she was folding a big flush draw.

The Fishy didn't hesitate to put his last 110 bucks in with his T5s in diamonds. He hit on the turn for a few hundred buck pot.

Long story short, the women was beside herself that she folded the best hand costin herself an almost 500.00 pot. She had a pretty heated discussion with the caller and it didn't phase him at all. He made what he felt was the correct play. I just reloaded and continued with my game.

It was obvious everyone was now gunning for him and eventually he got stacked when he pushed 33 allin for 300 and lost to AJs. The caller was solid and if it was anyone else at the table I'm sure he folds the AJ.

So I guess what I'm saying is no need to berate the fish just let them trap themselves. Unfortuneately, I wasn't the one with the big net.

[SirFelixCat]

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Why not just smile and agree with him? Doesn't matter if he's right or wrong. Let him think that he's the best.

Yknow, alot of people should watch how casinos treat their patrons. Like the regular players that are usually blowing money at the big wheel or the roulette table. But what do the casinos do for them when they are winning? Bitch 'em out and tell them they shouldn't play this game? No. What's funny is, alot of poker players will berate the donators when they're hitting their longshots, while the casinos give them comps. It's a mentality to ponder using if one is having trouble with beats.

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bernie...what a damn fine point. I have never (until now) heard it explained that way. What a wonderful way to look at it. TY and nh.

[bernie]

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Why not just smile and agree with him? Doesn't matter if he's right or wrong. Let him think that he's the best.

Yknow, alot of people should watch how casinos treat their patrons. Like the regular players that are usually blowing money at the big wheel or the roulette table. But what do the casinos do for them when they are winning? Bitch 'em out and tell them they shouldn't play this game? No. What's funny is, alot of poker players will berate the donators when they're hitting their longshots, while the casinos give them comps. It's a mentality to ponder using if one is having trouble with beats.

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bernie...what a damn fine point. I have never (until now) heard it explained that way. What a wonderful way to look at it. TY and nh.

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I also understand it can be tough when you're getting your teeth kicked in for a week or more. But if you're in a room that has a casino attached, take a break and take a stroll out and watch a pit game where someone is on a run and imagine how the casino is thinking towards that player. Actually thinking of that while seeing it can help give some perspective.

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[Mustafa]

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As we all should know (and as was brought up on this recent thread like trillions before it), you should do everything you can to make a fish feel right at home. But what about this situation, from Friday in the Foxwoods $1-2 NL? I'll try to get the details as correct as possible, especially as they impact the story, but feel free to skip them and just substitute your own image of a bad beat where Hero gets all the money in with the edge.

<font color="#666666">
My stack is $200, and I cover the relevant opponent.
QQ in MP, I raise to $15, get about four callers.

Flop is three sparse undercards with two diamonds. I check in 2nd position expecting to get a bet from a big Jamaican-sounding guy on the button. Indeed he bets, about $25 (?), and I raise to $100. He thinks for a second and calls.

The turn is a black jack, and I bet my remaining $100 and get a quick call.

Of course the river is a diamond or this wouldn't be a thinly veiled bad beat post. </font> The point isn't the beat, though, but Villain's reaction. As I'm sitting there very calmly, he starts ranting to me. "You think you were going to get me out of the pot with that flop raise when I had two diamonds? Maybe if you'd gone all in!"

What's the least -EV way to reply? I just smiled and said softly and in all sincerity, "No, sir, I wasn't trying to get you out. I'm glad that you called and got a good gamble. Congratulations, you made a good hand!"

My neighbors at the table concurred that they thought he felt guilty for making his draw. I can say that once in a similar situation to him online (having hit a draw that I knew I didn't have odds to chase), I launched into some out of character trash talk to maximize my "tilt implied odds".

At any rate, it was a bizarre scene with this fellow chewing me out for not blowing him out of the pot and me congratulating him on his good fortune, but I'm open to suggestions as to how to handle it.

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I don't play no limit so I never see situations like this.

(Ignoring the blinds)
Wasn't villian's flop call correct? (Call 75 to get 175)

Wasn't villian's turn call close even though it was -EV? (Call 100 to get 350; 3.5 to 1 instead of 4.1 to 1)

What made this that bad of a beat...a 3% mistake or a berating?

[Preytar]

Well said.

[Preytar]

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tilt implied odds

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Nice tiltboys reference. I love those trp reports.

Brian

[cardcounter0]

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But what do the casinos do for them when they are winning? Bitch 'em out and tell them they shouldn't play this game? No.

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If only that were COMPLETELY true!
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[bernie]

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But what do the casinos do for them when they are winning? Bitch 'em out and tell them they shouldn't play this game? No.

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If only that were COMPLETELY true!
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I'm not including the counters at the BJ tables.... [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

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