Stuck Between Agnosticism and Christianity - Page 3

ChrisV · #21 10-09-2007, 12:00 PM

I was referring just to the Matthew prophecies. I didn't propose to make you read the whole thing, though you can if you like. I agree that some of them aren't necessarily that convincing, but there are enough that are to put huge holes in the Christian claim of accurate prophecy.

I'm going to bed. If you want some more information on the particularly inaccurate Matthew, there's much more here.

Jamougha · #22 10-09-2007, 12:06 PM

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I'm terrified of hell, but would likely never have any level of faith that would be required to avoid it due to my many years as an agnostic.

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If there is a god and he created a place of eternal suffering for anyone he didn't like, it seems as likely that he would choose people who denied the materialist reality set out in his work, the cosmos, as that he would condemn people who refused to believe in him based on the best evidence and rationality at their disposal.

Drag · #23 10-09-2007, 12:07 PM

The problem with these prophecies is that they are very unclear.

The reasoning is very similar to the following:

<< Matthew 8:22 >>
New American Standard Bible (©1995)
But Jesus said to him, "Follow Me, and allow the dead to bury their own dead."

This is the prediction about the development of garbage collector in C#.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garbage...ter_science%29

Just think about it, he pointed out to the method to fight with 'memory leaks', long before the invention of computers and programming languages.

Splendour · #24 10-09-2007, 12:10 PM

Jamougha do you really think man's reasoning and God's reasoning is the same?

Nielsio · #25 10-09-2007, 12:10 PM

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Nielsio, I'm not going to define God because I think everyone in this forum already has a good idea on that.

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I have no idea what 'god' means. Please explain it to me.

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How do I know? I know from the truth of the Gospel...in particular from the words of Jesus...most people recognize his wisdom as irrefutable upon reading his words...

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Please don't use words and concept before defining them.

Q3. What is a 'god'? Please define what it is and how it works.

Q4. How do you know?

Splendour · #26 10-09-2007, 12:14 PM

I believe I already answered you Nielsio...If you guys are reading Nietzsche, Kant, Foucault, Plato and the rest of the philosophical crowd I think you can define the term God for yourself...or pull down a dictionary or encyclopedic definition yourself and mull it over... [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

Nielsio · #27 10-09-2007, 12:28 PM

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I believe I already answered you Nielsio...If you guys are reading Nietzsche, Kant, Foucault, Plato and the rest of the philosophical crowd I think you can define the term God for yourself...or pull down a dictionary or encyclopedic definition yourself and mull it over... [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

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Ok, for 'god' I got 'supernatural being'.

Then I looked up 'supernatural', which gave me 'beyond what is natural'.

So that would lead to the conclusion that 'god' is defined as something not real.

Would you agree with that?

If not:

Q3. What is a 'god'? Please define what it is and how it works.

Q4. How do you know?

kurto · #28 10-09-2007, 12:32 PM

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I believe I already answered you Nielsio...If you guys are reading Nietzsche, Kant, Foucault, Plato and the rest of the philosophical crowd I think you can define the term God for yourself...or pull down a dictionary or encyclopedic definition yourself and mull it over... [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

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That's unexpected... Splendour failed to answer a direct question?!?!?! Shocker.

Subfallen · #29 10-09-2007, 12:35 PM

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However, I've lately been extremely concerned about the existence of Hell and the implications of my agnosticism after my death, should I end up wrong.

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Take comfort that Peter666 will be up in heaven, finding meaning in your suffering (which, btw, I will be sharing with you.)

Seriously, don't worry about it. Your "soul/consciousness/spirit" will be dead before your body. There's nothing to be afraid of.

Splendour · #30 10-09-2007, 12:43 PM

Oh I'm shocked Kurto is making allegations against me after the "ambiguous" pm he sent me...You do seem to like to ride any thread I show up in Kurto...My intent in answering this OP was to answer his question not to get in spurious arguments with everyone on this site or to answer every question raised...No one else seems to be answering every post or every question so I find it unreasonable for posters in this forum to hold me to a different and higher standard than they hold themselves... [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]