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Old 11-08-2007, 12:17 PM
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Default 400NL - What\'s the worse hand you stack off with?

Villain is UMD Tennis, running 19/16/3 over 10.6k hands. This is quite literally my first hand at the table, and we have no recent history. I'm sure he has notes/stats on me though.

Full Tilt Poker, $2/$4 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
LeggoPoker Hand History Converter

BTN: $707.90
SB: $59.10
Hero (BB): $400
UTG: $405.70
MP: $470.40
CO: $408

Pre-Flop: X X dealt to Hero (BB)
2 folds, <font color="red">CO raises to $14</font>, 2 folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $50</font>, CO calls $36

Flop: ($102) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $76</font>, CO calls $76

Turn: ($254) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">CO bets $282 and is All-In</font>
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Old 11-08-2007, 01:12 PM
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Default Re: 400NL - What\'s the worse hand you stack off with?

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I'm sure he has notes/stats on me though.

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Which would be?
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Old 11-08-2007, 01:51 PM
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Default Re: 400NL - What\'s the worse hand you stack off with?

This is an interesting spot.

What does anyone check the turn with there that they will call a push with? Am I wrong, or is this a good spot for us if we are villain with 88-TT/67s/34s/45s and push the turn if checked to?

Like what hand checks the turn there that will call a push - ever?
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Old 11-08-2007, 02:06 PM
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Default Re: 400NL - What\'s the worse hand you stack off with?

Here I call this turn with:
-any set (obviously)
-KK, AA (obviously)
-AQ, KQ
-any pocket pair 88-JJ (so this is the worst hand I'd call with). Note--I wouldnt call with these pairs if the flop hadn't been 2-flush. Also, the only reason most of this range is callable other than the sets is that we checked the turn.
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Old 11-08-2007, 03:16 PM
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Default Re: 400NL - What\'s the worse hand you stack off with?

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Here I call this turn with:
-any set (obviously)
-KK, AA (obviously)
-AQ, KQ
-any pocket pair 88-JJ (so this is the worst hand I'd call with). Note--I wouldnt call with these pairs if the flop hadn't been 2-flush. Also, the only reason most of this range is callable other than the sets is that we checked the turn.

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Which of those hands do you check the turn with?
I think the overall checking range is an important part of this.
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Old 11-08-2007, 04:13 PM
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Default Re: 400NL - What\'s the worse hand you stack off with?

eh.. 1010+
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Old 11-08-2007, 04:25 PM
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Default Re: 400NL - What\'s the worse hand you stack off with?

Does any pair below Q's float this flop and then shove the turn as opposed to raising the flop? Does he play 87s any differently than TT?
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Old 11-08-2007, 04:30 PM
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Default Re: 400NL - What\'s the worse hand you stack off with?

isn't 22 close to JJ here? I guess he could have some pair+gut shot hand.

BTW I check this turn with most of my range. Or should I instead be shoving most of my range?
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Old 11-08-2007, 04:41 PM
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Default Re: 400NL - What\'s the worse hand you stack off with?

I think A8/99 are close, although he really shouldn't be doing this with TT/JJ but i don't play on FTP so who knows.

some9, if he's shoving a draw he has better equity vs. 22 than JJ.
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Old 11-08-2007, 04:48 PM
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Default Re: 400NL - What\'s the worse hand you stack off with?

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isn't 22 close to JJ here?

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Na, he's probably shoving a lot of pairs.
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