3/6 Bottom end and flush draw on turn

xorbie · #1 03-31-2007, 05:04 PM

I have 78[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. I raise somewhere in EP, some decent TAGish player calls.

Flop: 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

I bet 42 into 48, he calls.

Turn: 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

I check, he bets 100 into 120 or so, I push.

There may have been another caller pf but he folded the flop, so bet sizes may be off but basically I push for somewhere between pot and 1.5x pot.

Right after I pushed, I realized it was pretty bad. Holla.

mike0292 · #2 03-31-2007, 05:09 PM

wow bad.

I prefer c/c turn, push flush and sometimes paired river depending on villain

probably fold river if it blanks and he bets again

T-God · #3 03-31-2007, 05:12 PM

I like a call here then a c/r on the river if you hit a heart. Otherwise c/f I guess? Could be c/c too, but that's up to your read obviously.

I don't like the turn push. He could be betting diamonds but it's probably KQ/QJ. I don't see many players betting here with 2 pair or a set, def not top pair.

Edited because I didn't see you already had a straight.

xorbie · #4 03-31-2007, 05:12 PM

T,

I already have a straight.

psyduck · #5 03-31-2007, 05:19 PM

Your straight doesn't really matter because if he's betting the turn he almost certainly has a queen.

I really doubt he would bet turn with two pair or top pair. If he's creative, sometimes he will have total air or be bluffing with top pair/two pair, but I believe the times he has the queen outweigh the times he will fold greatly.

I prefer calling turn and pushing a paired river and c/ring a [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] river.

jfish · #6 03-31-2007, 06:13 PM

pushing a paired river is awesome.

terp · #7 03-31-2007, 06:41 PM

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pushing a paired river is awesome.

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willw9 · #8 03-31-2007, 07:21 PM

Image? History? I think that if villain knows who you are, he won't believe that you called turn with 2pr/set (you wouldn't, would you?). Therefore, pushing a paired river won't fold out a Q.

ipokeder · #9 03-31-2007, 07:30 PM

uhh lol? if you fold a set there you're probably really easy to play against

T-God · #10 03-31-2007, 10:09 PM

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pushing a paired river is awesome.

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I don't like counting on someone to make a huge fold.