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Old 11-22-2007, 09:09 PM
Ford Fairlane Ford Fairlane is offline
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Default Paradise $10 rebuy pre bubble play

blinds 300/600/50 stack sizes at the table 3K-22K, our stack is 20K, the table is somewhat tight (70 remaining, 30 ITM)
UTG KJh, i raised it up to 1555, only the button (20K) called
flop Js4s3h (pt 4.4K)
i bet 3K, button shoves (i've just been moved to the table an orbit ago), we have him slightly covered
easy call?
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Old 11-22-2007, 10:10 PM
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Default Re: Paradise $10 rebuy pre bubble play

Turbo fold for the love of god.
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Old 11-22-2007, 10:36 PM
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Default Re: Paradise $10 rebuy pre bubble play

The pot is 26K and I have to call 16K. A quick stove shows that I have a 40%-55% equity depending on how tight his shoving range is.
Can I really fold 30BB deep with these odds and equity estimation?
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Old 11-22-2007, 10:48 PM
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Default Re: Paradise $10 rebuy pre bubble play

Wow I don't have stove on this PC but what exactly do you think his range is?

How does 33,44,JJ+, AQss, AKss, KQss sound?
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Old 11-22-2007, 10:57 PM
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Default Re: Paradise $10 rebuy pre bubble play

Probably he does not have QQ+ as he is more likley to raise with those hand in position PF.
If his shoving that ultra-mega-tight I have 30% equity.
But I guess his range contains some QJ, KJ, random spades combinations as well as the big made hands and big combos
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Old 11-23-2007, 12:16 AM
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Default Re: Paradise $10 rebuy pre bubble play

This is much more likely AJ,KJ,QJ, 2 spades or 33,44,88,99,TT than anything else, I call.
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Old 11-23-2007, 01:25 AM
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Default Re: Paradise $10 rebuy pre bubble play

Fold preflop until you get a better feel for the table. As played, I would probably fold to his shove and wait for a better spot with better reads.

If I had even the slightest hint that he was a nutjob I would call, but in this case, I can't really make that determination.
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Old 11-23-2007, 03:38 AM
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Default Re: Paradise $10 rebuy pre bubble play

It doesn't matter if he is a nutjob at all, he has QQ,KK or AA here like 0% of the time he reraises those preflop 2 spades is so much more likely in this spot it's a call all day.
BTW if you fold here you are making a horrible mistake.
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Old 11-23-2007, 11:11 AM
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Default Re: Paradise $10 rebuy pre bubble play

My line was pritty much the same as John's.
Given that he did not reraised PF, I narrowed his range to
88-JJ, random spades, QJ+ and apparently I am a slight favourite against this range even adding some slowplayed monsters I'm only a slight dog
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