Fun Turn Spot: Limped pot, Top Two + FD

[dragonystic]

minraise

[tedtodd]

A call is fine, but why not get more chips in there when we have the draw to the 2nd nuts? And we're ahead most of the time.

edit: it's so hard to put him on a range. what could he possibly be doing this with. also, if you put him all-in here, does he call with a worse hand?

GP says not to go broke in unraised pots.

[jfish]

$99, shove every river.

[Fonkey123]

I'd make a small reraise so he chases with 78 or clubs and shove every river.

[pineapple888]

WTF shove, you don't want your action killed on the river, he's gonna come along with almost anything he 3-bet with now.

[LearnedfromTV]

one bump b/c ten different answers and not much discussion.

My thoughts: I have a significant equity edge against any range with two pair included. In fact it's only 30/70 versus 666. So shoving or reraising and shoving river if he doesn't shove turn can't be bad.

So what are the merits of a call:

- he may fold lower two pair or like KQ to a shove
- he may be bluffing

Against both of those hand types, it seems calling and checking is best, at least on a brick or a K. He'll value bet two pair (or a full house if he improved to 666KK/333KK or KKK66/KKK33), he may follow up on a bluff. I'm not sure what's best (assuming turn call) on a club or a 9.

If he raises all two pairs, rarely bluffs, and calls turn shove/reraise with all/nearly all of his raising range reraising is trivially correct because we may lose action on a club, and we give 87 (clubs or not) a free draw.

Also (obviously) if we knew him to be so tight that he only raises with a set, we would call and check-fold when we miss.

The reality has to be somewhere between: he's likely not tight enough that we're behind his range, but he may fold a significant part of the range that we beat.

[Spinners]

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WTF shove, you don't want your action killed on the river, he's gonna come along with almost anything he 3-bet with now.

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I agree, I say we just get it in here.

[tedtodd]

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If he raises all two pairs, rarely bluffs, and calls turn shove/reraise with all/nearly all of his raising range reraising is trivially correct because we may lose action on a club, and we give 87 (clubs or not) a free draw.

Also (obviously) if we knew him to be so tight that he only raises with a set, we would call and check-fold when we miss.


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Good summary. VN post.