JJ turn CRAI

Praetor · #1 08-16-2007, 10:57 PM

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Button is in seat 5
Total number of players: 4

Seat 1: Hero ($4281,50)
Seat 3: CO ($1092,00)
Seat 5: BTN ($1092,00)
Seat 6: SB ($883,87)

SB posts small blind of $5,00
Hero posts big blind of $10,00

Hero is dealt J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img],J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

CO raises to $40,00
BTN folds
SB calls $35,00
Hero calls $30,00

Dealing flop 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img],T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img],2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
Pot is: $120,00

SB checks
Hero bets $100,00
CO calls $100,00
SB folds

Dealing turn 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
Pot is: $320,00

Hero checks
CO bets $200,00
Hero raises to $2 000,00

Main villain is 20/17/1 over only a small sample, 60 or so hands. havent noticed him do anything. if people are going to say turn check is bad because low agg, i think someone with those stats almost always has higher agg over bigger sample, idk

I just call preflop because thats how I roll, and I wanted to keep SB fish in

If Villain is noticing I'm playing quite aggressive

Better Than U · #2 08-16-2007, 11:00 PM

reraise preflop. as played fold the turn because he's not betting a worse hand, ever.

jfish · #3 08-16-2007, 11:09 PM

i like leading a lot more. i think a c/rai can either be +ev or -ev depending on how passive he is.

Praetor · #4 08-16-2007, 11:12 PM

lead call shove?

c/f draw completing rivers, c/c blanks?

Albert Moulton · #5 08-16-2007, 11:59 PM

Rising $2,000 to win $540 seems like laying max odds on the don't pass line.

You could very well have the best hand already, and you probably fold out big draws with this overbet. So, you get worse hands to fold instead of pay to draw out.

Worse hands that might have paid you off a little more, like AT or some similar TPWK hand probably fold.

TT and 88 instacall, obviously.

So the question is whether you have increased your fold equity vs QQ-AA with the over bet or decreased your fold equity vs those hands. They might very well find the overbet too suspicious and call. Or, they might put you on a set and fold. If you felt this villain gets squeemish with overpairs for his stack on the turn, then the overbet is good. But if you mis-read this guy and he looks you up with QQ-AA, then you're out an aweful lot of chips.

As a general rule, I'm not a big fan of the OOP overbet crai. It just seems like too much risk for too little reward.

obiedman · #6 08-17-2007, 12:15 AM

i would just lead and call a shove praetor. also, add another for the reraise pf camp.

jlocdog · #7 08-17-2007, 12:31 AM

This is a great spot to squeeze preflop. Can't find too many better. If fish stays in you have position on him. If CO 4bets you can safely fold.

As played, I am c/r'ng the flop with the intentions of shoving all turns (with the exception of an Ace). Get zee money in. Too many cards suck for you and you lose alot of actions from inferior hands that come along on the flop.

As played, if I am c/c'ng the flop I am most likely doing the same on this turn card. Now the value of a bet by your hand decreases while strenghtening the value of inducing one.

jk3a · #8 08-17-2007, 12:34 AM

I don't get it

teddyFBI · #9 08-17-2007, 01:01 AM

Not reraising preflop in this spot with JJ is just the incorrect play. You don't quite seem to get how much harder a spot you've put yourself in by not doing so. "That's just how I roll" is not an acceptable defense.

And a turn CRAI has zero merit because he's not calling down with 1 pair here unless he's a huge fish. What's he gonna call with? AT? Get out.

Irish Mafia · #10 08-17-2007, 01:47 AM

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i would just lead and call a shove praetor. also, add another for the reraise pf camp.

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What hands do you see a pf-raiser shove w/ on the turn, after flat-calling a flop donk bet, that we are ahead of? You think he's going to raise a flush draw on the turn?