FW 20 I Donk(Hand Against Myself)

ProfessorBen · #1 10-31-2007, 08:06 PM

Foxwoods 20/40 (7 players):

Hero is NinaWilliams.

SB is me. Previous to this SB had donked 66 on a KK3 flop 4-way after limping and getting raised by Hero preflop.
MP is aggressive preflop and passive and loose postflop. He peels flops lightly and is passive even with hands like top pair and better. He has been seen checking a flop behind after raising preflop 3-way.
HJ is loose-aggressive preflop. He has been seen 3-betting pocket 3s against an EP raise and is known for playing preflop far from optimally. However, his postflop play is relatively solid and he doesn't do much out of line. He will get aggressive with his good hands.

MP raises 3 off the BTN, HJ calls, SB calls, Hero calls AT[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

Flop: K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
SB donks, Hero...

Don't care what you do here alone. Plan for the rest of hand? Thoughts about SBs preflop calling, flop donking range?

Scary_Tiger · #2 10-31-2007, 08:16 PM

Raise.

bakku · #3 10-31-2007, 08:40 PM

i can come up with many reasons to fold but only a couple for raising/calling so i fold

private joker · #4 10-31-2007, 08:56 PM

Fold preflop; ATo is dominated too easily to an MP raise.

AragornX151 · #5 10-31-2007, 08:59 PM

If you're struggling folding on this flop with two players to act, I agree with PJ; just muck them pre. As played, fold the flop, and it's not that close IMO.

DeathDonkey · #6 10-31-2007, 09:03 PM

Fold the flop but please don't fold preflop. PJ you nitbox.

-DeathDonkey

AragornX151 · #7 10-31-2007, 09:05 PM

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Fold the flop but please don't fold preflop. PJ you nitbox.

-DeathDonkey

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I agree, I was just saying that if you call preflop, you HAVE to be able to easily toss AT on this flop. Otherwise, your negative implied odds make calling AT a mistake pre.

bakku · #8 10-31-2007, 09:33 PM

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Fold the flop but please don't fold preflop. PJ you nitbox.

-DeathDonkey

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wow yea i'm the nittiest asian alive and i dont even think about folding PF

private joker · #9 10-31-2007, 09:44 PM

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Fold the flop but please don't fold preflop. PJ you nitbox.

-DeathDonkey

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wow yea i'm the nittiest asian alive and i dont even think about folding PF

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Despite considering "nitbox" a compliment, I'm wondering about the numbers here. Does anyone with a nice PT sample for FR hands know what their stats are for defending blinds with ATo against a non-steal raise? If you guys are calling ATo, are you calling A9o too? And if you are folding A9o like it's on fire, then why aren't you even considering folding ATo?

What about KJo? KTo? QJo? Does playing easily dominated hands out of position just not bother you because you play well enough postflop?

What's the worst offsuit hand you're calling here?

ProfessorBen · #10 10-31-2007, 09:53 PM

PJ: A villain's opening range in this spot includes hands like A9/A8/A7.(and their suited versions) Every hand we move farther down is significant and this doesn't even take the 1 straight we can make into account. I would venture to say that the jump from AT-->A9 is almost as signifcant as from AJ-->AT. After that, the gaps become smaller.

That said, this shouldn't degenerate into a preflop discussion. What are my most likely hands given my preflop call/flop donk?