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10-16-2007, 03:54 PM
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Re: What levels is coaching no longer worth while?
I recall hearing that Tiger's coach is the highest paid sportsman in New Zealand.
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10-21-2007, 04:54 AM
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Re: What levels is coaching no longer worth while?
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[ QUOTE ] If anything coaching would be closer to obsolete in the microstakes than it would at mid-high. At microstakes players presumably have a smaller bankroll, and the vast majority of knowledge they lack can be attained from books or websites like this one. In either circumstance a coach could be very useful. [/ QUOTE ] The argument for micro stakes coaching is the opportunity cost of rising in limits. (If coaching is $200/hour but the 10 hours of coaching i pay for means 2 more months at 30/60 instead of 15/30 @ the same winrate then i should get coaching. At smaller stakes this difference is larger IMO.) [/ QUOTE ] The argument against micro-stakes coaching is the cost. Doesn't make sense when the fee for an hour is equal to the entire bankroll.
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10-21-2007, 05:00 AM
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Re: What levels is coaching no longer worth while?
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coaching is never obsolete [/ QUOTE ] Unless you are on the other end, playing 50 nl. The buyins/hour for coaching is really ugly down there.
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#15
10-21-2007, 10:37 AM
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Re: What levels is coaching no longer worth while?
Joe Tall,
The Tiger Woods comparison is bunk. Poker is a completely mental game, completely different than golf. You could *try* to argue with chess players but that is a different game completely IMO where there is a correct way to play always, that isn't the case with poker. Coaching is obsolete when you are better than anyone willing to coach you for a rate you'd pay that you feel will help improve your game.
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#16
10-21-2007, 01:48 PM
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Re: What levels is coaching no longer worth while?
Theoretically, 'Tron, I disagree. Just because one player may be stronger in many areas than another doesn't mean that he cannot have the other player helping him in other areas where the other player is stronger, have him double checking his work, providing perspective, etc.
I think the reason this might not quite so much the case in actuality right now with top top end players is that poker is still at a point where anyone with a fairly complete understanding of the mathematical and inductive decision making process ends up in the upper echelons themselves. In ten years time after this stuff has become more common knowledge and is communicated more efficiently this might not be the case.
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#17
10-21-2007, 02:56 PM
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Re: What levels is coaching no longer worth while?
Another reason for having the coach when you're a consistent winner at nosebleeds or whatever is for them to re-evaluate your game when you have downswings. I'm sure the majority of pros question their ability to win at least sometimes when they're on nasty downswings.
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#18
10-21-2007, 04:16 PM
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Re: What levels is coaching no longer worth while?
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Joe Tall, The Tiger Woods comparison is bunk. Poker is a completely mental game, completely different than golf. You could *try* to argue with chess players but that is a different game completely IMO where there is a correct way to play always, that isn't the case with poker. Coaching is obsolete when you are better than anyone willing to coach you for a rate you'd pay that you feel will help improve your game. [/ QUOTE ] Golf is considered a more of a game, than sport. It's not in the Olympics for such reasons. I'll let Bryce's reply say the rest. He summed it up nicely.
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#19
10-22-2007, 03:01 PM
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Re: What levels is coaching no longer worth while?
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Joe Tall, The Tiger Woods comparison is bunk. Poker is a completely mental game, completely different than golf. You could *try* to argue with chess players but that is a different game completely IMO where there is a correct way to play always, that isn't the case with poker. Coaching is obsolete when you are better than anyone willing to coach you for a rate you'd pay that you feel will help improve your game. [/ QUOTE ] Great post. After a while, you can determine your positive expected hourly rate. After that, what marginal differences could there be in your game that will increase your income that is worth paying for?
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#20
10-22-2007, 03:05 PM
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Re: What levels is coaching no longer worth while?
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[ QUOTE ] Joe Tall, The Tiger Woods comparison is bunk. Poker is a completely mental game, completely different than golf. You could *try* to argue with chess players but that is a different game completely IMO where there is a correct way to play always, that isn't the case with poker. Coaching is obsolete when you are better than anyone willing to coach you for a rate you'd pay that you feel will help improve your game. [/ QUOTE ] Great post. After a while, you can determine your positive expected hourly rate. After that, what marginal differences could there be in your game that will increase your income that is worth paying for? [/ QUOTE ] this answer is aside from the debate at hand, but if you play a decent amount of hours, the answer could be ANY marginal difference in your game that will increase your income is worth paying for.
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