TPTK BvB

Profish2285 · #1 11-30-2007, 09:33 PM

Villain runs at 37/15/9. He has a flop aggro of 17 and a raise c-bet of 35 so you have an idea of his aggression. I have seen him donk b/3b with a fd.

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saw flop|saw showdown

SB ($137.40)
Hero ($54.50)
UTG ($69.10)
MP ($60.55)
Button ($49)

Preflop: Hero is BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
3 folds, SB raises to $1.75, Hero calls $1.

Flop: ($3.25) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $2.25, SB raises to $9.75, Hero....

losingdonkey · #2 11-30-2007, 09:38 PM

3bet this preflop. As played I'm realy unsure. If he's doing this with flushdraws and a bunch of other hands I'd consider 3betting the flop and calling a shove.

Profish2285 · #3 11-30-2007, 09:57 PM

I dont really 3 bet much pf in this situation, I like calling and taking flops. I also think in general AJ is a bad hand to 3 bet as it has RIO written all over it.

losingdonkey · #4 11-30-2007, 10:00 PM

Maybe in general, but think of his range when folded to in the SB. I think 3betting here is standard, as it makes the hand easier to play, he folds often enough, and if he calls, his range is narrowed.

Profish2285 · #5 11-30-2007, 10:02 PM

Im not sure why we would want to narrow his range down. I also dont really agree that his range gets narrowed much at all if we raise, this guy probably calls with most of his range in a BvB situation, he seems like a hyper aggro idiot.

ceavou22 · #6 11-30-2007, 10:08 PM

You can loosen 3-betting standards BVB, most of the time these over aggro won't believe your 3-bet and call with alot worse than AJ.

If you just call obv you miss 2/3 of flops and an agrro player will just take pot away from you most of the time.

As played I think I flat and chk/call most turn cards.

Altreg · #7 12-01-2007, 03:25 AM

I think 3bet flop versus this type of player is best option

As played,cold call hes raise -its less EV option

You should raise hem 2like 27bb and put it allin on turn or CRAI on that flop

Profish2285 · #8 12-01-2007, 11:21 AM

I dont really like checking behind this flop and I dont think this is a wa/wb situation either. I think he could have a fairly wide range of hands here so Im not sure why you think a check is optimal. What threw me off is that he went for the c/r when normally he just leads out with his hands. I think a point to mention here again is that he has a very high flop aggro and an extremely high raise c-bet. While I didnt c bet here, it still indicates his overall aggression. I read a thread a while back talking about stats like this and it stated that someone with a raise c bet of 15 you should start to bluff more and someone with a raise c bet of 20 you should start to get alot more comfortable getting your chips in. It is for this reason that I think a 3b/shove here could be optimal.

Unknown Soldier · #9 12-01-2007, 11:56 AM

getting it in here is fine, but i think calling and getting it in on any turn is better. You get more value from his air, which i imagine wouldn't be an insignificant portion of his range.

please don't check behind on the flop