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Old 11-07-2007, 03:05 PM
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And why did you only respond to 8 words in the middle of a single sentence and snip the rest of my post?

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because you stated a false premise which made the rest unanswerable.

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Uh, no I didn't. Where?

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there are anarchists alternatives to capitalist/ wage systems where the factors of production are owned on a private basis and not akin to state socialism.

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Dude, if the factors of production are privately owned and there is freedom of exchange, then it's capitalism. That's the *definition* of capitalism.
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Old 11-07-2007, 03:06 PM
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Are there property rights in the sort of anarchism that Chomsky describes?

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Nope. In fact, individual rights aren't recognized at all, and you would be just a drone in the Borg.

The closest example of the practical manifestation of Chomsky's political "philosophy" is the former Khmer Rouge regime in Cambodia in the late 1970's -- which Chomsky, not surprisingly, supported.

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Individual rights are at the essence of Chosmsky's phillosophy. Again you are confused with the authorianism of state socialism to which Chomsky rejects.

Jesus, go away. Everyone here is well equipped at doing google searches and can realise for themselves that Chosmy did not support the Cambodian genocide- or deny it.
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Old 11-07-2007, 03:07 PM
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And why did you skip the part where I pointed out that the labor theory of value is false, and that your "not privately owned land" is apparently identical to privately owned land?
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Old 11-07-2007, 03:09 PM
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"Uh, no I didn't. Where?"
when u stated that the factors of production would not be privately owned and based that on your criticism.

"Dude, if the factors of production are privately owned and there is freedom of exchange, then it's capitalism. That's the *definition* of capitalism.

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no, if the factors of production are privately owned on a collective basis (for example) by the means of production based on a system contrary to the wage system than that is not capitalism- it is a negation of it.
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Old 11-07-2007, 03:10 PM
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I've never understood how one asserts control over an instrument without state compulsion. How do you make sure the "right people" own the "right things" without the Party enforcing those norms?
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Old 11-07-2007, 03:10 PM
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Jesus, go away. Everyone here is well equipped at doing google searches and can realise for themselves that Chosmy did not support the Cambodian genocide- or deny it.

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I just used google, and yes, he did.
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Old 11-07-2007, 03:12 PM
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Are there property rights in the sort of anarchism that Chomsky describes?

Yes- with limitations.


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What sorts of limitations? Who imposes these limitations? Do they do so by force?
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Old 11-07-2007, 03:14 PM
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"Uh, no I didn't. Where?"


"Dude, if the factors of production are privately owned and there is freedom of exchange, then it's capitalism. That's the *definition* of capitalism.

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no, if the factors of production are privately owned on a collective basis

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Uh, that isn't private ownership. Do you know what the word "private" means? It means individual.

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(for example) by the workers themselves

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Do you mean like a syndicate? Do they have individual shares that they can buy and sell? If so, fine. But that's capitalism. If not, then it isn't private ownership.

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based on a system contrary to the wage system than that is not capitalism- it is a negation of it.

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What does this even mean: "based on a system contrary to the wage system"? Are you saying that you don't want workers to get paid for their work? I boggle. [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]
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Old 11-07-2007, 03:16 PM
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yes and none of the front page sources are credible. I guess he denied the holocaust too; (more so; 200,000 more results)

[link] http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&r...olocaust+denial [link]

(he didn't; he supports freedom of speech that led to uncredible acusations of holocaust denial)



.... 500,000 search results for chomsky hates gays too.
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Old 11-07-2007, 03:19 PM
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The closest example of the practical manifestation of Chomsky's political "philosophy" is the former Khmer Rouge regime in Cambodia in the late 1970's -- which Chomsky, not surprisingly, supported.

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You don't know what you are talking about. Chomsky has always been bitterly critical of Leninism, of which the Khmer Rouge were an extreme example. If you read the above interview, you would find that he is hostile to socialist dictatorships, and with the same rhetoric he uses for fascists.

Chomsky once said very early that the evidence was not yet in on Khmer Rouge genocide. From that, mendacious types claim he supported them, despite his never having said so. It's one of the dumber lies about him, but spreads because dittoheads chant it long enough.
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