27T: Go beyond ICM to make this bubble call?

[AMT]

unfortunately this is a fold. im a station so id prob. call in game knowing hes on ATC

[ymu]

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It's a clear call if you've never worked with ICM tools lol.

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That was a response to Shillx? LOL.

[Shillx]

Lol whatever. Folding must be correct b/c SNGPT says so!

[PattdownManiac]

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Lol whatever. Folding must be correct b/c SNGPT says so!

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Agreed!

[ymu]

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Lol whatever. Folding must be correct b/c SNGPT says so!

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Agreed!

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This is one of those hands where the future matters - ICM doesn't incorporate that. It's not clear either way, but it's definitely not a clear fold.

To answer this definitively you'd need to do a simulation - run the bubble a few thousand times with the big stack pushing every hand and doing his best to keep shortie alive with everyone else acting as ICM suggests.

[Little John]

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Lol whatever. Folding must be correct b/c SNGPT says so!

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Agreed!

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This is one of those hands where the future matters - ICM doesn't incorporate that. It's not clear either way, but it's definitely not a clear fold.

To answer this definitively you'd need to do a simulation - run the bubble a few thousand times with the big stack pushing every hand and doing his best to keep shortie alive with everyone else acting as ICM suggests.

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Good point. I think if you do this simulation calling would be better.

[AMT]

TFG implies in the original post that he understands that ICM would say this is slightly -EV...clearly if thats all he wanted to know, he wouldn't bother posting this.

that said, the stacks are pretty perfect for making this call, given bubble implications.

[ymu]

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Lol whatever. Folding must be correct b/c SNGPT says so!

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Agreed!

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This is one of those hands where the future matters - ICM doesn't incorporate that. It's not clear either way, but it's definitely not a clear fold.

To answer this definitively you'd need to do a simulation - run the bubble a few thousand times with the big stack pushing every hand and doing his best to keep shortie alive with everyone else acting as ICM suggests.

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Good point. I think if you do this simulation calling would be better.

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That's my instinct - it's definitely a better call than ICM would suggest, and there are three factors which contribute to that so the difference is probably quite substantial.

[futuredoc85]

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Lol whatever. Folding must be correct b/c SNGPT says so!

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lol patdown ill give you 2:1 on your bankroll that shillx would score higher than you an a bubble quiz. Let me know!

[ymu]

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Lol whatever. Folding must be correct b/c SNGPT says so!

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lol patdown ill give you 2:1 on your bankroll that shillx would score higher than you an a bubble quiz. Let me know!

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I'll take some of that action. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]