JJ advice on all streets welcome

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no rr pre? ive heard u like 10 bet all in pre w/ 52ss, but u wont 3 bet JJ in a 400nl game? wtf?

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ahaha

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hand:

flop dont like
turn like
river meh either call or fold lean towards fold even though u are repping 88 vs many ppl and expected to call

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Vanessa,

As I write out combos, I realize that I'm really not coming up with as many as I thought.

Missed Draws:
A4/A5, A4/A5/58/34/35/25/Random flush draw (unlikely)

8T/T9/AT could be there, and be value betting.


I think I may have discounted the possibility of a 6 a bit too much, but I still really think we're getting popped on the flop or turn by sets/boats and the straight the vast majority of the time.

Obviously a boat can slowplay the turn here, but this isn't exactly a slowplay friendly flop.

I think the backwards flop and turn bet sizes may have messed with my read a bit, as it drastically reduces the number of draws she can call with.

How often villain is value betting a T is a big factor, and I think it sways it to a call, in this case.

Looking at results, obviously my read was off, this time but I don't expect to see a boat here hardly ever. You played this hand very deceptively, and you got me. Good thing for me you probably folded pre-flop to my re-raise. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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Also, if you include sets/top two, it looks like a fold.

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I play this the same almost always and I am calling. So cheaaaaaaaap

[Erik W]

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Missed Draws:
A4/A5, A4/A5/58/34/35/25/Random flush draw (unlikely)

8T/T9/AT could be there, and be value betting.

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I disagrees completely with your range estimates.
The calling player is solid which menas he will ditch all those draws on the turn if they are not very strong.

The only draw that is till left on the turn is A3,A4,A5 of spades.
All the other should fold and villain knows that.
Those 3 are probably a fold too with the board paired.
Will you get paid if he have an overpair? He will get you to pay if he have a boat though.

You have a player who donks the flop into 2 persons and is not the preflop raiser and then you have a call of the preflop raiser behind which means after a bet and a call a strong hand. The turn is also paired on the turn. I don't really care usually but on this dry board and with the previous action it is no unlikelly that a boat is out there and hence you have very bad odds to draw(if a boat is there for like 33% already).

Why does he call turn with one person to go? Probably for value and what hands can he then have.

66,33,77 which makes 7 combinations. 67s is also 2 combinations but they are less likelly, I'd probably raise flop with that hand.

What hand can he feel secure with to only call with on the turn? A boat.

All this leads to a fold.
If it is a bad player who calls who is likelly to call with some draws on turn and is also prone to bluff then it is a call.

I cannot see any T hand survive to the river.
88,99 cannot get there either cause what should he put the preflop raiser on when he calls flop. Are both on draws and will my 88,99 survive to the river,no.

[jfish]

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i like all streets and c/c river.

i'd probably bet a little more on the flop though.

c/r flop is an option too, of course, but often enough the raiser won't c-bet into both of you light on a flop like that.

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[Big_Jim]

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Missed Draws: A4/A5

Unlikely Missed Draws, maybe worth one combo total: 58/34/35/25/Random flush draw

8T/T9/AT could be there, and be value betting.

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I disagrees completely with your range estimates.

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