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04-12-2007, 01:26 AM
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Is this an angle or am I a nit?
Early morning 1/2 NLHE game after all-night action. Tables are consolidated with 3 new players coming in. Player to my right is new and brings about $100 with about $40 in white($1), $60 red($5). He lays his chip stacks on there side next to the rail. Basicly he has chip tubes, not stacks.
He doesn't play any hands for a couple of orbits. I look down to my right and notice that he's now got a black chip($100) on the rail, but don't think any other player or the dealer can see it. I announce to the dealer that there is a black in play so that all players paying attention know that the high value chip is there. After a few more hands, he's got he black and several greens($25) in play. The greens aren't totally concealed like the black. Table max buy in is half the big stack of about $800. He doesn't have more than $400 so he's legal. 
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04-12-2007, 02:16 AM
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Re: Is this an angle or am I a nit?
I don't even understand your question. The player has less than the maximum buyin in play. What's the problem? I think letting chips higher than $5 play in a 1/2 game is retarded but this guy isn't doing anything against the rules. If you noticed the black chip and the green chips then I don't see why other players wouldn't notice it as long as they were paying attention.
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04-12-2007, 06:36 AM
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Re: Is this an angle or am I a nit?
when you said that tables were consolidated, and there were "3 new" players coming in, were those "3 new" players coming in from a "Broken Game" or did they just walk into the room. If they were from a "Broken Game" the max buy in doesn't matter basically.......hopefully this will help answer some of the question.
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#5
04-12-2007, 07:20 AM
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Re: Is this an angle or am I a nit?
It sounds like he is just topping off and remains below the $400 max but he is allowing (or purposely causing) some confusion about what he has in play.
What if he was way way up on the broken game, he moves to the new table and pockets $600 in blacks and greens before sitting. Is that a rat hole move or is it ok because he moved tables? He then decides he wants more money in play so he quietly puts more on the table. That seems totally legal (assuming pocketing money between tables was legal which it may not be) BUT if he quietly removes some, NOT legal anyplace I think? It seems a tiny bit angly but not so much anything could be done - just keep an eye on what he has in play and make sure he doesn't rathole. If you get in a hand with him, make damn sure the blacks and greens are out there for you to win - he cant be putting them in play then removing them unless he leaves the game.
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04-12-2007, 09:52 AM
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Re: Is this an angle or am I a nit?
[ QUOTE ]
What if he was way way up on the broken game, he moves to the new table and pockets $600 in blacks and greens before sitting. Is that a rat hole move or is it ok because he moved tables? He then decides he wants more money in play so he quietly puts more on the table. That seems totally legal (assuming pocketing money between tables was legal which it may not be) BUT if he quietly removes some, NOT legal anyplace I think? [/ QUOTE ] If he's moving to a table that is just starting he can pocket everything he wants and buy in the for min if he chooses. If he's moving from a broken table to a live game his stacks are live in most casinos and he must sit down with all his chips. I've never played anywhere that allowed you to take money off the table in a game that wasn't fixed limit unless you are paying/tipping an employee.
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#7
04-12-2007, 09:56 AM
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Re: Is this an angle or am I a nit?
I think we're mis-understanding the term NIT.
NIT is kinda/sorta a synonym for a rock. It's taken on a bit of a negative connotation in my local group, but a good example of a NIT is someone who will blind out of a tourney just to avoid pushing with a bad hand. I think you're thinking it has more to do with being "nit-picky". Nit is actually an old pool room term as I know it. Basically a player that won't gamble at all. He'd only make a game if it was one he couldnt lose. Or as my old pool room manager would say, That guy's such a nit, he wouldn't bet a dime that the sun is gonna rise tomorrow.
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#8
04-12-2007, 10:13 AM
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Re: Is this an angle or am I a nit?
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I think we're mis-understanding the term NIT. NIT is kinda/sorta a synonym for a rock. [/ QUOTE ] Sorry. That is your definition. It is not the 'historical' definition used in poker. For years, it meant someone who 'nit-picked' the rules, etc. Asked for change of decks or set-ups. Screamed for a player to be picked up when they had been gone 30 minutes and one second. Quite often their play was of the tight nature you describe. So when many of the new players into the game saw Bill called a 'nit', they thought it referred to his style of play. And many now think that is what it means. It does not.
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04-12-2007, 10:14 AM
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Re: Is this an angle or am I a nit?
[ QUOTE ]
I think we're mis-understanding the term NIT. NIT is kinda/sorta a synonym for a rock. It's taken on a bit of a negative connotation in my local group, but a good example of a NIT is someone who will blind out of a tourney just to avoid pushing with a bad hand. I think you're thinking it has more to do with being "nit-picky". Nit is actually an old pool room term as I know it. Basically a player that won't gamble at all. He'd only make a game if it was one he couldnt lose. Or as my old pool room manager would say, That guy's such a nit, he wouldn't bet a dime that the sun is gonna rise tomorrow. [/ QUOTE ] Interesting. I didn't know about the word's history. Most of us use "nit" to refer to someone who complains a lot about trivial things. Generally that type of person plays tight passive, but I have seen a few play typical-passive or very rarely loose-passive.
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#10
04-12-2007, 10:37 AM
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Re: Is this an angle or am I a nit?
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ] I think we're mis-understanding the term NIT. NIT is kinda/sorta a synonym for a rock. [/ QUOTE ] Sorry. That is your definition. It is not the 'historical' definition used in poker. For years, it meant someone who 'nit-picked' the rules, etc. Asked for change of decks or set-ups. Screamed for a player to be picked up when they had been gone 30 minutes and one second. Quite often their play was of the tight nature you describe. So when many of the new players into the game saw Bill called a 'nit', they thought it referred to his style of play. And many now think that is what it means. It does not. [/ QUOTE ] Not just mine: http://www.pokertips.org/glossary/w/NIT By Definition: Nit Poker Glossary Also known as Rock. A nit is a tight-passive player that avoids confrontations. Typically, the term nit is used when this type of passive player plays in a pot-limit or no-limit game. Nits tend to avoid big pots and do not like to gamble. See also Passive, Tight.
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