Is 25/50 NL Rigged?

Ansky · #1 11-20-2006, 12:36 AM

Nasty nasty downswing... here are some hands for BBV's pleasure and for my healing process.

Villain was unknown at the time. If this happened now, I would have folded for sure now that I know he is a nit.
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $50 BB (7 handed) pokerhand.org hand converter

MP1 ($6728)
MP2 ($5097)
CO ($6919)
Button ($8425)
SB ($4947)
Hero ($8110)
UTG ($4950)

Preflop: Hero is BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
4 folds, Button raises to $166, 1 fold, Hero raises to $600, Button raises to $1600, Hero raises to $8110, Button calls $6510.

Flop: ($16245) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)

Turn: ($16245) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)

River: ($16245) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)

Final Pot: $16245

Results in white below: 
Hero has As Kd (high card, ace).
Button has Kc Ks (one pair, kings).
Outcome: Button wins $16245. 

Villain is raptor:
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $50 BB (4 handed) pokerhand.org hand converter

BB ($16165)
UTG ($6683)
Button ($5598)
Hero ($3140)

Preflop: Hero is SB with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG raises to $150, 1 fold, Hero raises to $500, 1 fold, UTG raises to $6683, Hero calls $2640 (All-In).

Flop: ($9873) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

Turn: ($9873) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($9873) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $9873

Results in white below: 
UTG has As Qc (flush, ace high).
Hero has Kh Ac (straight, ace high).
Outcome: UTG wins $9873. 

Villain here is just a spectacular star of the poker world!
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $50 BB (6 handed) pokerhand.org hand converter

Hero ($11288.95)
CO ($988.50)
Button ($5719)
SB ($1450)
BB ($5000)
UTG ($2724)

Preflop: Hero is MP with 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
1 fold, Hero raises to $200, 1 fold, Button calls $200, 1 fold, BB calls $150.

Flop: ($625) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $450, Button raises to $1300, BB folds, Hero raises to $3000, Button raises to $5519, Hero calls $2519.

Turn: ($11663) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)

River: ($11663) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)

Final Pot: $11663

Results in white below: 
Hero has 3c 3s (three of a kind, threes).
Button has 9d Jc (straight, king high).
Outcome: Button wins $11663. 

meh

UB hhs wont convert now?)
Hand #35085524-20470 at Oshkosh (No Limit Hold'em)
Started at 11/Oct/06 03:08:57

ansky451 is at seat 1 with $11313.
Batera is at seat 2 with $6437.
maxEmus125 is at seat 3 with $7786.50.
aBnarf is at seat 5 with $7262.
The button is at seat 1.

Batera posts the small blind of $25.
maxEmus125 posts the big blind of $50.

ansky451: 2s 3s
Batera: -- --
maxEmus125: -- --
aBnarf: -- --

Pre-flop:

aBnarf folds. ansky451 raises to $175. Batera
folds. maxEmus125 calls.

Flop (board: Ts Qd 8h):

maxEmus125 checks. ansky451 bets $300. maxEmus125
calls.

Turn (board: Ts Qd 8h As):

maxEmus125 bets $600. ansky451 calls.

River (board: Ts Qd 8h As 7s):

maxEmus125 bets $1200. ansky451 goes all-in for
$10238. maxEmus125 goes all-in for $6711.50.
ansky451 is returned $3526.50 (uncalled).

Showdown:

ansky451 shows 2s 3s.
ansky451 has 2s 3s Ts As 7s: flush, ace high.
maxEmus125 shows Ks Js.
maxEmus125 has Ks Js Ts As 7s: flush, ace/king high.

Hand #35085524-20470 Summary:

$2 is raked from a pot of $15598.
maxEmus125 wins $15596 with flush, ace high.
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Villain squeezes super light, and likely has a very wide range:

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Hero ($4575)
SB ($4950)
BB ($9954)
UTG ($9449.50)
MP ($6608)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
UTG raises to $200, 1 fold, Hero calls $200, SB raises to $800, 1 fold, UTG calls $600, Hero raises to $4575, SB raises to $4950, UTG folds.

Flop: ($10375) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)

Turn: ($10375) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)

River: ($10375) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)

Final Pot: $10375

Results in white below: 
SB has Kd Ah (two pair, kings and eights).
Hero has 4s 4h (two pair, eights and fours).
Outcome: SB wins $10375. 

oops:

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $50 BB (2 handed) pokerhand.org hand converter

Button ($13136)
Hero ($5025)

Preflop: Hero is BB with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. Button posts a blind of $50.
Hero raises to $150, Button (poster) calls $100.

Flop: ($300) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets $200, Button raises to $650, Hero calls $450.

Turn: ($1600) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $1400, Hero raises to $4225, Button calls $2825.

River: ($10050) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)

Final Pot: $10050

Results in white below: 
Button has 9d 9c (three of a kind, nines).
Hero has Kh Qs (one pair, kings).
Outcome: Button wins $10050. 

Villain here was Piejay, total LAGbomb fish.
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Hero ($5074)
Button ($1900.50)
SB ($10778.50)
BB ($9447)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
Hero raises to $200, 2 folds, BB calls $150.

Flop: ($425) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $300, BB raises to $600, Hero calls $300.

Turn: ($1625) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks.

River: ($1625) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB bets $600, Hero raises to $2450, BB calls $1850.

Final Pot: $6525

Results in white below: 
Hero has 7s 9s (flush, ace high).
BB has Js 5s (flush, ace high).
Outcome: BB wins $6525. 

This one was just great!
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $50 BB (5 handed) pokerhand.org hand converter

MP ($6134)
Hero ($5919)
SB ($6421)
BB ($2550)
UTG ($5781.65)

Preflop: Hero is Button with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
1 fold, MP raises to $200, Hero raises to $700, 2 folds, MP calls $500.

Flop: ($1475) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
MP checks, Hero bets $1150, MP raises to $2300, Hero raises to $5219, MP calls $2919.

Turn: ($11913) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)

River: ($11913) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)

Final Pot: $11913
Oh yeah villain had JJ ^. [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

Standard:
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $50 BB (4 handed) pokerhand.org hand converter

Hero ($8116)
BB ($3073)
UTG ($1147)
Button ($5100)

Preflop: Hero is SB with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
2 folds, Hero raises to $200, BB calls $150.

Flop: ($400) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets $200, BB raises to $750, Hero raises to $7916, BB calls $2123 (All-In).

Turn: ($11189) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($11189) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $11189

Results in white below: 
Hero has Ac Qc (one pair, queens).
BB has Ad 9d (flush, ace high).
Outcome: BB wins $6146. 

Well sf draws are cool cause you still have 1 out if they have a boat! oh, he had a boat...

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $50 BB (6 handed) pokerhand.org hand converter

UTG ($498)
MP ($4950)
CO ($4685.50)
Hero ($11835)
SB ($7951)
BB ($850)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
1 fold, MP raises to $200, CO calls $200, Hero calls $200, 2 folds.

Flop: ($675) 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
MP bets $400, CO raises to $1200, Hero raises to $11635, MP folds, CO calls $3285.50 (All-In).

Turn: ($17195.50) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($17195.50) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $17195.50

Results in white below: 
CO has 7s 7c (full house, sevens full of fours).
Hero has 6d 8d (flush, king high).
Outcome: CO wins $10046. 

Villain is ggbman:
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Hero ($5298)
UTG ($6121)
MP ($2673)
Button ($5631.65)
SB ($4950)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
UTG raises to $200, MP calls $200, 2 folds, Hero calls $150.

Flop: ($625) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $500, MP folds, Hero raises to $1750, UTG raises to $5921, Hero calls $3348 (All-In).

Turn: ($11644) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($11644) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $11644

Results in white below: 
Hero has 6d 6h (two pair, sixes and threes).
UTG has 7c 6c (straight, seven high).
Outcome: UTG wins $11644. 

Villain in this hand is an absolute LAGtard idiot, but still I think I should have folded...
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $50 BB (4 handed) pokerhand.org hand converter

SB ($3025)
BB ($11143.50)
UTG ($5078)
Hero ($10109)

Preflop: Hero is Button with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG raises to $150, Hero calls $150, SB calls $125, 1 fold.

Flop: ($500) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, UTG bets $250, Hero raises to $800, SB folds, UTG raises to $4928, Hero calls $4128.

Turn: ($10356) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)

River: ($10356) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)

Final Pot: $10356

Results in white below: 
UTG has Jh Kd (three of a kind, jacks).
Hero has Jc Qd (three of a kind, jacks).
Outcome: UTG wins $10356. 

This wasn't really interesting, HSNL thought my play was good.
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $50 BB (3 handed) pokerhand.org hand converter

Button ($7646)
Hero ($6223)
BB ($8523)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
1 fold, Hero raises to $150, BB calls $100.

Flop: ($300) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets $200, BB raises to $650, Hero raises to $2000, BB raises to $8373, Hero calls $4073 (All-In).

Turn: ($14746) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($14746) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $14746

Results in white below: 
Hero has Qd Qh (one pair, queens).
BB has Js 7s (two pair, jacks and sevens).
Outcome: BB wins $14746. 

I definitely have been playing very poor by my standards, but I also have been running like [censored] at 50.

Anyways, a graph is coming.

McShove · #2 11-20-2006, 12:38 AM

ansky, tl;dr.

But I can confirm that yes, 25/50 is indeed rigged.

alphatmw · #3 11-20-2006, 12:40 AM

obviously its rigged, the secret is finding out how to use that rigging to your advantage like all your opponents did.

PerDoom · #4 11-20-2006, 12:41 AM

Graph please

creative · #5 11-20-2006, 12:41 AM

thats alot of money to lose ;x

Gugel · #6 11-20-2006, 12:45 AM

don't cry for me....argentina....
the truth is, i never left youuuuu

joyofpoker · #7 11-20-2006, 12:46 AM

tl;dr. But to answer your title question...

I firmly believe that NL25 is rigged, the money just shuffled around, to even out the playing field. This is so that players don't go broke quickly and leave online poker for good.

NL50 isn't rigged in my experience.

I'm sorry that you are playing so low. I knew that you used to play way higher. Keep a stiff upper lip. You'll be up to NL200 quickly, as I'm sure you are a good enough player for a decent winrate up there.

joy

FULL RAKE · #8 11-20-2006, 12:48 AM

at least you got your money in good...

Ansky · #9 11-20-2006, 12:49 AM

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at least you got your money in good...

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sometimes...

FULL RAKE · #10 11-20-2006, 12:53 AM

LOL YOUR AVATAR IS A GAY PRIEST AND YOU. LOLOL AND THERE'S A HEART. also i made it.