10/20 JJ hand

[Praetor]

No IQ poker 10.00/20.00, hand converted by the iPoker Converter at Talking-Poker

saw flop | <font color="#C00000">saw showdown</font>

Button ($4690.50)
SB <font color="#C00000">SB ($2034.00)</font>
BB ($1990.00)
UTG <font color="#C00000">UTG ($1990.00)</font>
UTG+1 ($1371.86)

Hero is SB with J [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

Preflop: , UTG raises to 80.00, 2 folds, SB calls 70.00, 1 fold.

Flop (180.00) 2 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 5 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
SB checks, UTG bets 140.00, SB raises to 445.00, UTG calls 305.00.

Turn (1070.00) 2 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
SB bets 650.00


What do you guys think of this line? If you dont like it, what do you prefer? Villain is 20/16/2.3, no real history, he seems pretty good. I am 21/17 or so, not getting out of line

[skier_5]

yep. other options include c/r turn ai.

[David1234]

does any1 not c/r this after we flat pf?

[ImsaKidd]

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yep. other options include c/r turn ai.

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Can you really CR this turn after you cr flop?

[Unknown Soldier]

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yep. other options include c/r turn ai.

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Can you really CR this turn after you cr flop?

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nope

[Unarmed]

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yep. other options include c/r turn ai.

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Can you really CR this turn after you cr flop?

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I'm pretty sure a bet is more effective as a bluff than anything else. Flop is a pretty easy C/C given PFR is UTG and OP is readless. Given he C/R'd the turn is a check. At least keep air in PFR's range, even tho he won't have floated the C/R hardly ever given the UTG dynamic. (his range is narrow on flop, OP knows this so he isn't spazz raising flop with air often, UTG knows this so he can't float very often) If he bets the turn you call and C/F the river. Board has paired off so there's no reason OP can't have a boat here if he c/c's the turn, so IF PFR actually has a worse hand on the turn, he shouldn't be firing two barrels with great frequency. If turn goes C/C you vbet the river, and puke if he shoves.

Anyway, I think ppl are underestimating how different this hand is than if villain opened OTB. It makes a world of difference. In this case the flop C/R isn't appropriate, and it makes the rest of the hand ridiculously hard to play.