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Old 10-13-2007, 08:30 PM
tyler_cracker tyler_cracker is offline
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Default EDITED jack seven offsuit, out of position, makes top pair bad kicker

hero is bb with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].

villain (ep) is a regular. i don't know much about him but this is the biggest game in the room (lol).

5-way limped pot and i check.

* FLOP * J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

sb checks, i check, ep bets, mp calls, button calls, sb folds, i call.



* TURN * 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 players, 4 bb)

i check, ep checks, everyone checks.



* RIVER * K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players, 4 bb)

i check, ep bets, fold, fold, i call.
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Old 10-13-2007, 08:48 PM
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Default Re: EDITED jack seven offsuit, out of position, makes top pair bad kicker

I would like to fold the flop, but getting 8:1...meh.

turn is good for you.

I dohn't think you are good enough on this river to make it worth it in that miniscule pot. With him checking the turn I guess it's ok. No way am I overcalling.

On the bright side, you have a read on villian now. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
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Old 10-13-2007, 09:06 PM
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Default Re: EDITED jack seven offsuit, out of position, makes top pair bad kic

So, you went to some pretty great lengths to get rid of my witty response.

Why not bet the flop?
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Old 10-13-2007, 10:20 PM
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Default Re: EDITED jack seven offsuit, out of position, makes top pair bad kic

I agree with Bozlax here, I think we need to bet this flop. As played, I call the river too. The flush didnt hit anyone, and EP already bet out on flop, so it is unlikely he hit that king.
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Old 10-13-2007, 10:25 PM
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Default Re: EDITED jack seven offsuit, out of position, makes top pair bad kicker

why not value-bet the flop?
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Old 10-13-2007, 11:04 PM
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Default Re: EDITED jack seven offsuit, out of position, makes top pair bad kic

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So, you went to some pretty great lengths to get rid of my witty response.

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I'm a trifle deaf in this ear. Speak a little louder next time.

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Why not bet the flop?

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good question!

i guess i've been leading a lot in spots like this[**] and i wanted to try something different. upon reflection, i think that leading is a fine play, especially in this smallish pot, and that i was probably being a puss because i'm running bad a little.

the plan was check-and-see. ep villain's bet surprised me because he hadn't seemed particularly aggressive. so after that guy bets and a couple callers, i called and thought about donking a safe turn.



[**] not in this particular session, but over the last couple weeks.
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Old 10-13-2007, 11:12 PM
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Default Re: EDITED jack seven offsuit, out of position, makes top pair bad kic

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turn is good for you.


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why?
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Old 10-13-2007, 11:13 PM
B2_eBoogaloo B2_eBoogaloo is offline
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Default Re: EDITED jack seven offsuit, out of position, makes top pair bad kic

I think turn is donk/fold, given flop action.

Buzz
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Old 10-13-2007, 11:57 PM
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Default Re: EDITED jack seven offsuit, out of position, makes top pair bad kic

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turn is good for you.


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why?

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because with that many in the hand, a flush is going to bet and weaker hands are going to fear the flush and give you a free look at the river, where you can check and not overcall.
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