9 handed, flop bottom set. What the hell do I do? - Page 3

Scarmiglio · #21 08-27-2007, 08:35 PM

I can see 3 people holding hands worse than ours on this board, but I think we're behind a bigger full house here. That being said 4/8 live players are idiots. You could easily be against a couple of straights and/or flushes. I would probably cap it but it would depend on the player that raised and the player that 3-bet. Even without reads, if the raiser or 3-bettor fits one of the weak-tight stereotypes I might be able to find a fold. With no reads I'm going to cap it.

Sir_Raisealot · #22 08-27-2007, 08:45 PM

Cappucino!!! (spelled right?) Assume opponent is bad until proven otherwise.

Xhad · #23 08-27-2007, 09:20 PM

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This is right up there with "raise or fold" in the "dumbest mantra in this forum" contest.

Hair_of_the_Dog · #24 08-27-2007, 10:53 PM

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This is right up there with "raise or fold" in the "dumbest mantra in this forum" contest.

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Yeah, but it's pretty close to correct. I guess the bottom line is at this limit it is pretty easy to size up most players quickly.

Sir_Raisealot · #25 08-27-2007, 10:56 PM

Could you explain why this is dumb? I would really like to understand what was silly about this statement so I can adjust my views of the game. Thanks in advance.
I based this on a small stakes recommendations of DSkl and MM books.

KitCloudkicker · #26 08-27-2007, 11:03 PM

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Could you explain why this is dumb? I would really like to understand what was silly about this statement so I can adjust my views of the game. Thanks in advance.
I based this on a small stakes recommendations of DSkl and MM books.

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2+2ers have to start somewhere. yes many play 4/8, as do many aspiring TAGs.

though i prob was a fish compared to people in this forum a year ago.

Sir_Raisealot · #27 08-27-2007, 11:05 PM

Kit so have things changed since the books were written? What is the answer to the question above?

Hair_of_the_Dog · #28 08-27-2007, 11:10 PM

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Could you explain why this is dumb? I would really like to understand what was silly about this statement so I can adjust my views of the game. Thanks in advance.
I based this on a small stakes recommendations of DSkl and MM books.

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I don't think it is dumb, extreme maybe. There are good player that play at lower limits. If not we are all a bunch of idiots talking to each other here. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] On the whole I think that <u>most</u> small stakes players are average or below. I usually find that I can figure out if they are bad within a couple of orbits. If they are tight it takes a little longer.

Xhad · #29 08-28-2007, 01:33 AM

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Could you explain why this is dumb? I would really like to understand what was silly about this statement so I can adjust my views of the game. Thanks in advance.
I based this on a small stakes recommendations of DSkl and MM books.

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There is a huge huge difference between saying:

"I assume that most of my opponents don't play poker that well because low limit live games are usually not populated by good TAGs"

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"I assume my opponents are all retarded and don't know how to read a board and will raise and threebet the river with hands that are super super obviously beat"

Maybe what I should have said was "mottos most likely to justify wrongheaded decisions" because that's really what I meant. I still maintain that against three opponents showing this much strength there's no way you're a favorite without reads. The only argument I see for 4betting is if 4betting is a cap and you think there's a chance this doesn't go to 4 bets if you're good, but that it will always go to 4 bets if you're beat and you won't fold to the 4bet. In that case you might cap so that it's always 4 bets rather than 4 bets when you lose and 3 bets when you win. Equity cap, not a chance.

Matt Williams · #30 08-28-2007, 09:13 AM

I ended up capping it because I figured if I have the best hand, I might as well make the most $$$ out of it and since I can't fold it, it would only cost 1 extra bet.

One guy had a straight, one guy a flush, one guy had trips (LOL!), and one guy had a higher boat. Oh well. It took the SOB 10 mins. to stack his money.