Bottom 2 pair on wet board

KEW · #1 08-02-2006, 01:30 PM

First hand at table so no reads on villian..Opinions on all streets please as I felt completly lost..Villian had not played any hands before I posted BB..THe hand ranges I had him on based on limited table observation was FD,better two pair(56s),set or small over pair(77-99)..After his turn bet I discounted the FD from his range..

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ Hero (8 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

UTG+1 ($98.50)
MP1 ($54.43)
MP2 ($145.72)
CO ($17.10)
Button ($99.29)
SB ($87.36)
Hero ($100)
UTG ($143.71)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.50.
2 folds, MP1 calls $1, 2 folds, Button calls $1, SB (poster) completes, Hero checks.

Flop: ($4) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $4, MP1 raises to $8, Button calls $8, SB folds, Hero calls $4.

Turn: ($28) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, MP1 bets $15, Button calls $15, Hero calls $15.

River: ($73) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, MP1 bets $30.43 and is all in, Button folds, Hero ?????
Final Pot: $73

los_toros · #2 08-02-2006, 01:38 PM

After button calls on the turn ahead of you, I usually muck.

Almost definitely muck on the river without a read.

Ben Young · #3 08-02-2006, 01:39 PM

fold the turn maybe given reads? this hand gives me a headache

KingKory · #4 08-02-2006, 01:43 PM

Calling the flop is fine.

You can let these go on the turn; MP has at least a set.

If you're calling the turn, I don't know why you'd muck the river; it's doubtful the 8 improved villian (unless it gave him the 6-card straight [img]/images/graemlins/shocked.gif[/img] ).

ThePortuguee · #5 08-02-2006, 01:46 PM

I think the best line is to call teh flop minraise and lead the turn. It does a great job of forcing your opponent to define his hand. I'd probably fold if he comes back over the top.

As played that's a nasty river situation, but I can probably find a fold. Villain's line looks an awful lot like 67 to me.

KEW · #6 08-02-2006, 01:52 PM

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After button calls on the turn ahead of you, I usually muck.

Almost definitely muck on the river without a read.

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FWIW, The button calling is why I called the turn...I had him firmly on a FD a was getting about 4 to 1 odds to call..I was then hoping for a free or cheap SD to obtain a good read on villian..IMO min. raises are very telling to those players that make them..

KEW · #7 08-02-2006, 01:58 PM

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I think the best line is to call teh flop minraise and lead the turn. It does a great job of forcing your opponent to define his hand. I'd probably fold if he comes back over the top.

As played that's a nasty river situation, but I can probably find a fold. Villain's line looks an awful lot like 67 to me.

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67 is a hand I never thought of a definate strong possibility..Do you think many villians make this turn bet with 67..His river bet made me think squarly 77(perhaps too narrow) as I doubt he would lead with a set into two players that are playings there hands like draws..