Absolutely heated about JC Tran situation at Foxwoods

[the_doantster]

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I guess I am baffled that if I am in an all in confrontation and muck my cards without saying "I fold" and they do not slide into the muck pile then my hand is still live even though I mucked them face down the dealer can flip them over and deal out the rest of the hand?

I am confused.

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The TD said that even if you muck your hand, and it lands in the muck, as long as they can be identified they will be retrieved, LOL. Douchebaggery at it's finest.

[budblown]

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So if he had not drawn out on JC and said "Hey I mucked my cards" what should the floor decision be? What would he have had to do for this to have been a muck?

I guess I am baffled that if I am in an all in confrontation and muck my cards without saying "I fold" and they do not slide into the muck pile then my hand is still live even though I mucked them face down the dealer can flip them over and deal out the rest of the hand?

I am confused.

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In a tournament yes, your hand is still live as the rule is both hands must be shown. In a cash game you have mucked.

[Victor]

seems like the correct ruling but i dont know the rules too well.

regardless, that dude is a total idiot.

[Nairb]

I guess I am just dense or my brain is not working right today but I still am confused about this. So the guy raised and JC pushed all in. At that point the other guy pushes his cards in like a muck but neither says Call or Fold. The dealer has the option of making the decision for the player?

I understand both hands have to be shown but the other player did not call the all in so the dealer made the decision for him. What am I missing?

[Nairb]

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In a tournament yes, your hand is still live as the rule is both hands must be shown.

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So unless he says "I fold" the cards are still live no matter what. He basically can call an all in by throwing his cards silently into the muck? I am still lost with this decision and do not understand the ruling obviousely.

I would have probably been thrown out I would have raised so much hell if this happened to me.

Just shows the importance of verbally stating your intentions before making a move in a live game. I guess you can tell I am an internet player that rarely, for now, plays live and have never played in a casino setting.

[budblown]

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I guess I am just dense or my brain is not working right today but I still am confused about this. So the guy raised and JC pushed all in. At that point the other guy pushes his cards in like a muck but neither says Call or Fold. The dealer has the option of making the decision for the player?

I understand both hands have to be shown but the other player did not call the all in so the dealer made the decision for him. What am I missing?

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No, the other guy moved all in and JC called.

[cero_z]

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I understand both hands have to be shown but the other player did not call the all in so the dealer made the decision for him. What am I missing?

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Muppet open-shoved the flop and JC called.

[KamiKatze]

The fat guy on the left was bluff-shoving on a 995 flop with a weak ace.
JC insta-calls with J9, the fat guy (omg how i love saying that), thinks he is dead, mucks his hand. (HE DID NOT TRY TO SHOW THEM).

The dealer follows the ruling, flips over the clearly retrievable hand, the fat guy wins with a runner-runner straight and continues to lie about what he did, to not lose the pot, he just won.

Shît happens.

[Nairb]

Ok I did not have volume on my computer at work so I could not follow it that closely. I thought JC pushed and the fat guy pushed his cards in the middle without verbally saying call or fold. You can see where I was lost. Now it seems like the right decision. The fat guy only pushed his cards in that way because he saw he was dominated but since it was an all in and a call the hand has to be played out.

Suddenly it all makes sense.

[Nairb]

Was nice to watch him walking away a few hands later while JC had that grin on his face. That was the best part.