Turn spot vs lilholdem in 50r

[stevepa]

Do hand converters work anymore? Been a while since I posted anything but I'm kind of curious what people like on this turn. He hasn't been as crazy as usual, but still opening lots of pots. I've 3bet him twice and showed neither. Also curious what people think of preflop, flop seems pretty standard.

PokerStars Game #12153158123: Tournament #61160967, $50+$5 Hold'em No Limit - Level XII (600/1200) - 2007/09/19 - 18:23:49 (ET)
Table '61160967 10' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: Tsu_NilPferD (35685 in chips)
Seat 2: wildkris (47700 in chips)
Seat 3: Braka (11929 in chips)
Seat 4: lilholdem954 (29013 in chips)
Seat 5: RaSZi (57767 in chips)
Seat 7: stevejpa (30977 in chips)
Seat 8: gboro780 (38781 in chips)
Seat 9: Mtenda (29572 in chips)
Tsu_NilPferD: posts the ante 125
wildkris: posts the ante 125
Braka: posts the ante 125
lilholdem954: posts the ante 125
RaSZi: posts the ante 125
stevejpa: posts the ante 125
gboro780: posts the ante 125
Mtenda: posts the ante 125
RaSZi: posts small blind 600
stevejpa: posts big blind 1200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to stevejpa [8s 9c]
gboro780: folds
Mtenda: folds
Tsu_NilPferD: folds
wildkris: folds
Braka: folds
lilholdem954: raises 1754 to 2954
RaSZi: folds
stevejpa: calls 1754
*** FLOP *** [9s Ad 2h]
stevejpa: checks
debrisfish is connected
lilholdem954: bets 3954
stevejpa: calls 3954
*** TURN *** [9s Ad 2h] [5d]
stevejpa: checks
lilholdem954: bets 6500 (at like 15.5k)

He has about 15k behind after his turn bet. I???

Steve

[SunOfBeach]

I like preflop - against a player like that and at this stacksize/level, I'd defend most of the time with 98o. Flop was standard. On the turn, I'd probably c/r all-in sometimes and c/f sometimes, but I'm not sure that either one is significantly more +EV than the other. Metagame-wise, as long as you do both sometimes, I think all is ok.

[Ansky]

even vs lil i think i fold here... tho if i decided he was full of [censored] id just call and ck call any blank riv.

[ZJ123]

i think i fold Preflop, your getting great odds but hes only like 25bbs deep and im not sure its worth it. I also prolly float flop, the Turn is a tough spot, b/c i think he checks lots of turns with a medium aces. i guess i just give up on turn though b/c i think its really marginal and he's gonna shove the river a lot

[Bond18]

I agree with 100% of what ZJ said.

[gobboboy]

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[celticslegend]

I think preflop you should fold, after the flop I think you should call all the way down, I think he is bluffing quite a bit here tbh.

[mrjetguy]

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I think preflop you should fold, after the flop I think you should call all the way down, I think he is bluffing quite a bit here tbh.

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I don't think you can call all the way down when it's going to cost you almost your entire stack. You can still get out on the turn for pretty cheap. Plus, any river card higher than a 9 is not good for us. I just don't see him bluffing often enough for us to essentially commit our stack to this hand.

[IWEARGOGGLES]

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I think preflop you should fold, after the flop I think you should call all the way down, I think he is bluffing quite a bit here tbh.

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I don't think you can call all the way down when it's going to cost you almost your entire stack. You can still get out on the turn for pretty cheap. Plus, any river card higher than a 9 is not good for us. I just don't see him bluffing often enough for us to essentially commit our stack to this hand.

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It is all about his bet sizing. He makes stupid little bets like this as bluffs all the time.

[stevepa]

Is he really bad/crazy enough to shove the river after I check/call the turn? I can't imagine ever check-folding any river after check calling that flop/turn. Also, the pot's pretty huge, so him folding something like KQ, 44, or whatever is a big deal if he's not going to bluff shove the river.

As for preflop, I don't think him only being 25 bets deep is a reason not to call. The shallower he is the more I like defending here as we have to worry about reverse implied odds less and less.

Steve