16: How bad is this?

loxxii · #1 03-23-2007, 03:35 PM

PokerStars Tournament, Big Blind is t20 (9 handed) Converter on pregopoker.com

UTG (t1870)
UTG+1 (t1980)
MP1 (t1320)
MP2 (t1430)
Hero (t1470)
CO (t1470)
Button (t1260)
SB (t1420)
BB (t1280)

Preflop: Hero is in MP3 with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, MP1 calls t20, MP2 calls t20, Hero raises to t120, CO folds, Button calls t120, SB folds, BB folds, MP1 calls t100, MP2 folds

Flop: (t410) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
MP1 checks, Hero bets t300, Button raises to t1140 (All-in), MP1 folds, Hero calls t840

Turn: (t2690) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)

River: (t2690) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)

Loose villian.

loxxii · #2 03-23-2007, 03:42 PM

2. Add this one. I'm tilting.

PokerStars Tournament, Big Blind is t30 (9 handed) Converter on pregopoker.com

UTG (t1080)
UTG+1 (t1190)
MP1 (t1470)
MP2 (t1770)
MP3 (t1605)
CO (t1695)
Button (t2140)
SB (t1280)
Hero (t1270)

Preflop: Hero is in BB with T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
UTG folds, UTG+1 calls t30, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, MP3 folds, CO folds, Button folds, SB calls t15, Hero checks

Flop: (t90) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets t60, UTG+1 raises to t120, SB folds, Hero raises to t330, UTG+1 calls t210

Turn: (t810) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets t910 (All-in), UTG+1 calls t830 (All-in)

River: (t2550) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)

This villian is loose also.

mnlgrind · #3 03-23-2007, 03:46 PM

imo, im not a fan of hand 1, I don't like cbetting into 3people esp with your read that villain is loose plus he has position on you.

Hand 2, again check here, i think we can call his flop min raise hoping to hit on the later streets, don't like your raise here though.

don't tilt man...

citanul · #4 03-23-2007, 04:06 PM

hand 1 is fine. hand 2 is gross.

loxxii · #5 03-23-2007, 04:12 PM

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hand 2 is gross.

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by that you mean call and check/fold to a big turn bet if we miss?

Kevin8423 · #6 03-23-2007, 05:27 PM

Hand 1 make it 100pf, itll accomplish he same thing and keeps the pot smaller for the flop. Once you see this flop don't c-bet the board is too connected and theres two other players to follow you. You can almost 100% see a turn for far cheaper than your 300 if you just check and call their bet if they make one.

Hand 2 you have a monster draw, but its so early in the tournament you don't need to be taking down pots before you hit. Check flop, and call your opponents bet as you are almost always 50% in this situation against just about any hand connected to this board. Had this been at a higher level then you could use your FE and try to push people out but their isn't anything in this pot to make it worth taking down before hitting.

Little John · #7 03-23-2007, 08:05 PM

Hand 1 - Stacks are tricky and that is what got you into trouble by leading into the button. I would check the flop. If button bet and MP1 calls or folds, you can CRAI which is how I would like to play this. If button checks you get a free card which is fine. The worst thing is for you to bet and then have the button push. I would still call the push because there is such a huge overlay and you have a ton of outs.

Pat_B · #8 03-23-2007, 11:31 PM

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Hand 1 make it 100pf, itll accomplish he same thing and keeps the pot smaller for the flop. Once you see this flop don't c-bet the board is too connected and theres two other players to follow you. You can almost 100% see a turn for far cheaper than your 300 if you just check and call their bet if they make one.

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I fully agree with the smaller raise PF for a smaller pot. I was wondering, what's our play if we miss the turn? C-fold?

duvalin · #9 03-23-2007, 11:51 PM

i wouldnt check call, but id bet 80 on the flop and only raise 100 pre flop. for every limper just add 1 bet per limper off yr 3xbb raise then bet 100 turn if u miss 2 keep him from bettibng if he raise at any poiny reasses and call if you have pot or implied odds!~

fluorescenthippo · #10 03-23-2007, 11:56 PM

hand 1 is okay. hand two push after min raise since he is so short. you realize there is no point to your raise size in 2 right?