$50 NLTRN, 2nd pair + OESD on turn facing psb donkbet

[how_can_losing?]

I should clarify:

I tend to cbet bigger on drawy flops if:

1. I have air or a hand with no SD value but I think villain is likely to c/f (or, if he calls, I can take it away from villain when scare card comes later)
2. If I have SD value/piece of flop/overpair/monster and I think villain will call with draws and weak hands

Obviously if I cbet more on drawy flops, I have to do it both when I have a hand and when I don't.

I don't like cbetting 80/120 on a flop like this if my read of the villain is that he will call bigger bets with draws.

If villain is very aggro and likely to c/r a lot, I would cbet less often/less chips.

That said, I used to cbet the same amount every time, and now I'm experimenting with cbetting varying amounts based on the texture of the board and my opponent's range, more so than my own cards. I think ultimately this is a better strategy than cbetting the same amount every time, but I am not sure that I am implementing this strategy well. Also I am not sure how this affects villains who are not droolers but not sophisticated enough to catch on that I am capable of betting bigger with both air and good hands.

[Kalledrengen]

I think c-betting a bit less on drawy boards is alright.

I see myself calling here many times, however against an unknown villain I would probably fold because I do not expect great implied odds if I hit my straight when there is 4 to a straight on the board.
He is out of posistion though so that adds a bit to the chance of having good implied odds if he is gonna try take down the pot even if the 4'th card comes.

[mb6tour]

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I think c-betting a bit less on drawy boards is alright.

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[how_can_losing?]

Yeah, I'm not sure what he meant by that, but I'm guessing he means it's ok to bet 80/120 consistently instead of betting more on drawy boards.

Anyway, results. I pushed, villain thought for a second and called with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] and I held.

The instant he called I thought that pushing was a mistake, and then I saw his hand and was pretty surprised.

The reason I posted is because after pokerstoving a reasonable range for a non-maniac villain, it seems obvious that folding the turn is best. I won this hand, and based on his play in hand 1, I thought there was a chance I was ahead on the turn. But in this spot I think folding is the clear play against most villains, right?

[sonneti]

I would fold the turn here because I think bets like these indicate that villans hand has usually improved. I would think it may be something like Kxh, K5-KTx, 2 pair or maybe a fancy heart flush draw. Normally I wouldnt consider the backdoor flush draw.

Also it's very early in the tournament against an unknown villan so I think I'd save my chips & try getting a proper read on him.

[how_can_losing?]

sonneti,

Yeah, I think you're right. My only read was his instapot river bet in hand 1, and his very quick pot bet on the turn in hand 2. For some reason I didn't think he had it, and I pushed. I think I was pretty lucky to be right, and that in most cases folding is by far better.

[Kalledrengen]

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I think c-betting a bit less on drawy boards is alright.

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Whooops! That was indeed a mistake, ment bigger obviously =]

[how_can_losing?]

Kalledrengen,

That makes more sense. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]