QJo and weakflushes

meektm · #1 06-10-2007, 09:07 PM

Hi all,

I'm often confused how I should be playing QJo. Do you want it multiway or short?

PokerStars 0.25/0.50 Hold'em (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Preflop: Hero is Button with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
2 folds, MP1 calls, 1 fold, MP3 calls, CO calls, Hero calls, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (6 SB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (6 players)
SB bets, BB folds, MP1 calls, MP3 folds, CO folds, Hero raises, SB calls, MP1 folds.

Turn: (5.50 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, SB calls.

River: (7.50 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, SB calls.

Final Pot: 9.50 BB

I have another question about weakflushes. In a large pot where everyone seems to be drawing to something or calling, is it worth drawing to a weakflush?

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Preflop: Hero is BB with 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, MP3 raises, CO calls, 1 fold, SB calls, Hero calls, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, MP2 calls.

Flop: (16 SB) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (8 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 checks, MP1 checks, MP2 bets, MP3 raises, CO folds, SB calls, Hero calls, UTG calls, UTG+1 3-bets, MP1 folds, MP2 caps, MP3 calls, SB calls, Hero calls, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls.

Turn: (20 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (6 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 checks, MP2 bets, MP3 calls, SB calls, Hero calls, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls.

River: (26 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (6 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 checks, MP2 checks, MP3 checks.

Final Pot: 26 BB

Thanks

Edited: i only know sb is something like 29vpip low pfr in hand 1

kerowo · #2 06-10-2007, 09:12 PM

Hand one with position I'm probably going to raise any two broadway, given that you didn't the rest is standard.

In hand two I'm donking this flop. With 6 people in on the turn I think you still have the equity to donk the turn as well. The last think you want is for it to get checked through. Flush over flush is rare so I'm not getting too worried about it on the flop.

Buzz-cp · #3 06-10-2007, 09:22 PM

I play both hands same way. You are playing QJ because it is two big connected cards. I don't think it matters much if it is multiway or short, but the later the position the better.

unterfish · #4 06-10-2007, 09:40 PM

Hand 2: bet and raise flop
Hand 1: nh.

tehox · #5 06-10-2007, 10:36 PM

In hand 2, even with it getting capped, you are getting like 10:1. Sometimes people will have bigger flushes, but not often enough to even think about folding.

jakbse · #6 06-11-2007, 05:02 AM

Hand 1, Top pair, single opponent but weak kicker and 3 flush board. I value bet the river but it's marginal. The rest is fine IMO
Hand 2, I'm ok with they way you played it, strange river.

ESKiMO-SiCKNE5S · #7 06-11-2007, 05:18 AM

I hate a raise preflop in hand 1, its all fine.

hand 2 donk/trey is ok on the flop, but as you have played it is fine too

sharpie · #8 06-11-2007, 01:31 PM

1) Standard.
2) Of course you draw to a flush in a million bet pot.

meektm · #9 06-11-2007, 09:23 PM

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hey sharpie,

why are we raising QJo in hand 1?

tm