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Old 10-25-2007, 06:15 PM
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pokerstars games are fishier than full tilt? [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

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way way way more. FTP is rock garden.
Try it - you will need to watch about 1 round to see the difference.


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There is also the alternative of Stars hiring a real forensic audit team and not the purchased seals of approval that are on their website

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yup, indeed the best option available.

IMHO the real way how to get fair games.
The same way as the poker rooms were forced to prove their RNGs are fair. Now it's time to prove the rest is fair as well.

The independent trustworthy third party FTW.
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Old 10-25-2007, 06:16 PM
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Default Re: PokerStars: Allow Datamining

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I'm not the one who repeats "fair fair fair".
Hunting whales if fair (indeed) - everyone can do it freely.
Well everyone could do it freely.
Why?
Because everyone could do it freely.


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This makes so little sense. Datamining would be fair if everyone could do it. As it is currently the software is set up to allow for relatively easy datamining, but it is against the rules. THe current system is set up unfairly.

Stars needs to either make it harder to datamine or allow it explicitly.

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why did you ask for this stat specifically then?

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Because I thought it could provide some edge and at least make for interesting analysis.

You ignored my post where I said that I have datamined both FTP and Stars and come to my own conclusion that it was not providing an edge large enough to warrant the effort it took to get the hands.

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And if anyone thinks datamining can prove cheating: you are free to test FTP or any other site that allows it.
There's no need to ruin fishy PS games because you "want to test PS".

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LOL Stars games aren't fishy. And they certainly aren't any better than the games at Full Tilt.
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Old 10-25-2007, 06:17 PM
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way way way more. FTP is rock garden.
Try it - you will need to watch about 1 round to see the difference.


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LOL I've played extensively on both Stars and Full Tilt. Neither one is fishier than the other. And MT2R has played extensively on both as well. I think we're more qualified to judge than your "It only takes one round to tell!" BS.
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Old 10-25-2007, 06:27 PM
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You're worried about datamining killing off the fish?

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Here's a quick guide how to find fishy games (worked for me):
1) site that doesn't allow datamining
2) site that doesn't offer (dealt) rakeback
3) site that has easy to clear sign-up bonuses

Take the fishiest sites (PS, PP, Pacific) and you will see all. (with the exception of Pacific does allow dm)
Take the rockiest sites (FTP, WPEX, AP, UB) and you will see the opposite.
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Old 10-25-2007, 06:32 PM
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... Stars and Full Tilt. Neither one is fishier than the other.

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You are the first one who declares such a statement.

For the others:
- easy: look at the av. pot and the av. # of players per flop
- hard: use hud and see which players has higher VPIP.

Both numbers are very clear and say clearly what is fishier.
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Old 10-25-2007, 06:49 PM
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As it is currently the software is set up to allow for relatively easy datamining, but it is against the rules....Stars needs to either make it harder to datamine or allow it explicitly.

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I said several times I agree that the PS should make their TC more clear.
But more clear doesn't mean to allow everything. That's a bad way.

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LOL Stars games aren't fishy. And they certainly aren't any better than the games at Full Tilt.

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Every level at PS has bigger pots than FTP. According to my database there's usually 12% difference. And there's no single level where the average pot is bigger at FTP.

Every level at PS has more players per flop than FTP. According to my database there's usually 5% difference. And there's no single level where the number of players per pot is bigger at FTP.

That's all I need to know.
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Old 10-26-2007, 06:10 PM
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way way way more. FTP is rock garden.
Try it - you will need to watch about 1 round to see the difference.


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LOL I've played extensively on both Stars and Full Tilt. Neither one is fishier than the other. And MT2R has played extensively on both as well. I think we're more qualified to judge than your "It only takes one round to tell!" BS.

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yeah...i don't think there is much of a difference... I actually think Stars is nittier when it comes to the NL 6max games I'm interested in
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