Two Purrzz in a weird spot

Ship Ship McGipp · #1 09-13-2007, 04:43 PM

Hero is 22/18 preflop. Aggro and three betting fairly light.

Villian is 19/13 preflop. Has seen us three bet and four bet light, but with marginal made hands and not air. SN is Lady_Sharrow on ftp, no super reads to be honest.

Full Tilt Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $10 BB (6 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

UTG ($1180)
MP ($210)
CO ($963.75)
Hero ($1807)
SB ($1005)
BB ($1762)

Preflop: Hero is Button with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG raises to $36, 2 folds, Hero calls $36, 2 folds.

Flop: ($87) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG bets $66, Hero calls $66.

Turn: ($219) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $150, UTG calls $150.

River: ($519) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $375, UTG raises to $928 (All-In),

We're getting 3 to 1.

This is an atrocious spot to bluff for villian though, right? Doesn't villian always have AT or TT?

FWIW, villian tanked for like 10 seconds before checking river.

sauce123 · #2 09-13-2007, 04:52 PM

19/13 will raise only ATs UTG, for sure.

i think if u called his most likely hand is TT.

maayybe 65s occasionally as well as AA.

anyways i fold

AcTiOnJaCsOn · #3 09-13-2007, 04:52 PM

wow thats pretty sick i have to admit, i think you have to fold, you cant put him on a bluff here imo i highly doubt hes that sick

AcTiOnJaCsOn · #4 09-13-2007, 04:53 PM

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19/13 will raise only ATs UTG, for sure.

i think if u called his most likely hand is TT.

maayybe 65s occasionally as well as AA.

anyways i fold

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plus since u cold called preflop im sure he thinks sets are in your possible range

Ship Ship McGipp · #5 09-13-2007, 04:54 PM

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19/13 will raise only ATs UTG, for sure.

i think if u called his most likely hand is TT.

maayybe 65s occasionally as well as AA.

anyways i fold

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i agree, but i will say that i think people sometimes randomly raise hands utg, could have had a read on table that blinds were tight when he was utg and raise ATo or something

i'm not saying he does and ia gree it's not in his static range, but i think ATo is in his tilting and kinetic range for sure, hell some guys have no concept of position i'm ont positive this person is good or no hero has played 3.5k hands with him/her and no real reads.

so maybe half or a third of the combos of ATo are in the range, and ATs

still, wtf

sauce123 · #6 09-13-2007, 04:57 PM

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19/13 will raise only ATs UTG, for sure.

i think if u called his most likely hand is TT.

maayybe 65s occasionally as well as AA.

anyways i fold

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i agree, but i will say that i think people sometimes randomly raise hands utg, could have had a read on table that blinds were tight when he was utg and raise ATo or something

i'm not saying he does and ia gree it's not in his static range, but i think ATo is in his tilting and kinetic range for sure, hell some guys have no concept of position i'm ont positive this person is good or no hero has played 3.5k hands with him/her and no real reads.

so maybe half or a third of the combos of ATo are in the range, and ATs

still, wtf

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hahahaha, uhhhmmm, we still lose to AT (static or kinetic).

also its generally my experience that if you are playing 19/13, its specifically because you dont want to pay attention to things like how tight the blinds are when deciding whether to raise preflop, so i would be more likely to put him on a narrow range.

AcTiOnJaCsOn · #7 09-13-2007, 04:58 PM

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19/13 will raise only ATs UTG, for sure.

i think if u called his most likely hand is TT.

maayybe 65s occasionally as well as AA.

anyways i fold

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i agree, but i will say that i think people sometimes randomly raise hands utg, could have had a read on table that blinds were tight when he was utg and raise ATo or something

i'm not saying he does and ia gree it's not in his static range, but i think ATo is in his tilting and kinetic range for sure, hell some guys have no concept of position i'm ont positive this person is good or no hero has played 3.5k hands with him/her and no real reads.

so maybe half or a third of the combos of ATo are in the range, and ATs

still, wtf

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hahahaha, uhhhmmm, we still lose to AT (static or kinetic).

also its generally my experience that if you are playing 19/13, its specifically because you dont want to pay attention to things like how tight the blinds are when deciding whether to raise preflop, so i would be more likely to put him on a narrow range.

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good point

Ship Ship McGipp · #8 09-13-2007, 05:00 PM

in 15 minutes half of this thread is actionjacson, i think i'm about to forum tilt

Some9 · #9 09-13-2007, 05:06 PM

like the easiest fold ever?

I think it's fairly unlikely that he interprets your line as very bluffy and hence rebluffs you with a hand he is worried might not beat your bluff. (like 99 maybe)

Ship Ship McGipp · #10 09-13-2007, 05:08 PM

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like the easiest fold ever?

I think it's fairly unlikely that he interprets your line as very bluffy and hence rebluffs you with a hand he is worried might not beat your bluff. (like 99 maybe)

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agree but we're getting three toooo onneee