[x] Flop makes me puke - Page 2

ipokeder · #11 08-10-2007, 09:28 AM

yeah, KK is obv shoving...

?? wtf? just bet/fold, you're getting a [censored] of respect on this flop and like never getting played back at. both hands face up = easy to play

[censored], you might even 3-barrel here to try to get him to fold JJ/TT/JT

thedustbustr · #12 08-10-2007, 09:38 AM

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?? wtf? just bet/fold, you're getting a [censored] of respect on this flop and like never getting played back at. both hands face up = easy to play

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wouldn't this mean there isn't much value to betting unless we have air? not making a case to try to level him by checking, just saying tons of respect doesn't mean you have to bet. ESP if his range is wide as nick suggests.

Taxshine · #13 08-10-2007, 10:36 AM

With his range of hands, and the fact that he called your RR make a bet, see where you stand and fold to likely to have pp j's q's k's or ak all which have you drawing to a few outs with no value

Nielsio · #14 08-10-2007, 10:55 AM

bet/fold, check/call and check/fold (or check-check and bet/fold). Unless it's not really a strong river-bet in case it could be KK.

Villain's stats seem kinda donkish and not really to pull anything crazy. That said, I still don't like checking this flop.

PBJaxx · #15 08-10-2007, 11:01 AM

I bet ikes range here isn't as wide as you guys think.

Edit: All that matters, though, is what villain thinks it is.

rcs1537 · #16 08-10-2007, 01:23 PM

What about check/raise? You didnt mention that option.

wuwei · #17 08-10-2007, 02:24 PM

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...sets probably smooth call in a vaccuum more often than they raise because your hand is pretty much defined as a pair, you arent stacking off with aq or 66 or JT. edit ok maybe jt but hopefully you understand my argument.

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I'm a bit confused on the "pretty much defined as a pair" part. You're saying leading the flop narrows hero's range down to mostly pairs?

dreamcircus · #18 08-10-2007, 02:33 PM

Check and call/evaluate decide on turn action. From early position him calling you the raise, he could easily already have a set or 2-pair or possibly AK. KK might've reraised you preflop to me it's less likely. I think he is less likely to put you on a read if you check.

klownage · #19 08-10-2007, 02:40 PM

Bet