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View Poll Results: Should the state feed prisioners in jail?
No, they can make it with private charity 0 0%
yes, Im a jackbooted thug 10 100.00%
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  #261  
Old 11-20-2007, 09:20 PM
daveT daveT is offline
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Okay, guys.

I can ALMOST see a shove here, but a CALL?

I would like an explanation to both of these.

Please don't post the next hand until this is explained.
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Old 11-20-2007, 09:50 PM
mb6tour mb6tour is offline
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I voted for shove

But I can see a call too. stop&go would be fine here. Shoving is very marginal, I'd take my vote back prolly, anyway one good point is that blinds are going up next hand to 100=1/5 our stack BUT any random hand is better than 74o BUT we have fold equity this hand the next villain prolly shoves himself and we cant fold ATC.

The stop&go would be just an alternative to mix up since we did shove last hand, personal choice.
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Old 11-20-2007, 10:01 PM
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I voted for shove

But I can see a call too. stop&go would be fine here. Shoving is very marginal, I'd take my vote back prolly, anyway one good point is that blinds are going up next hand to 100=1/5 our stack BUT any random hand is better than 74o BUT we have fold equity this hand the next villain prolly shoves himself and we cant fold ATC.

The stop&go would be just an alternative to mix up since we did shove last hand, personal choice.

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Is this a level?
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Old 11-20-2007, 10:03 PM
chrismystero chrismystero is offline
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mb6tour,

I think you need to research what exactly a stop&go is. Everything you have stated is not really even close to a stop&go. Shoving is bad, calling is really, really bad imo.
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Old 11-20-2007, 10:05 PM
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I voted for shove

But I can see a call too. stop&go would be fine here. Shoving is very marginal, I'd take my vote back prolly, anyway one good point is that blinds are going up next hand to 100=1/5 our stack BUT any random hand is better than 74o BUT we have fold equity this hand the next villain prolly shoves himself and we cant fold ATC.

The stop&go would be just an alternative to mix up since we did shove last hand, personal choice.

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Is this a level?

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WHAT? Everybody seems to be making an effort to misunderstand me today.

I said that the blinds are going up next hand to 50/100 as u'll be on the BB u'll have to put 100 which equals more than 1/5 of your stack.
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Old 11-20-2007, 10:25 PM
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mb6tour,

I think you need to research what exactly a stop&go is. Everything you have stated is not really even close to a stop&go. Shoving is bad, calling is really, really bad imo.

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Yeah you're right I was thinking Hero would be 1st to act the next hand.

But if you disagree about shoving I would like to see your reasons.
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Old 11-20-2007, 10:50 PM
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The stop and go is over-rated .

I'd fold 7-4 off-suit for sure . You have fold equity on your very next hand if you shove which will certainly be a better hand than 7-4 off-suit .
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Old 11-20-2007, 10:55 PM
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mb6tour,

I think you need to research what exactly a stop&go is. Everything you have stated is not really even close to a stop&go. Shoving is bad, calling is really, really bad imo.

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Yeah you're right I was thinking Hero would be 1st to act the next hand.

But if you disagree about shoving I would like to see your reasons.

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We lose more value from his calls (because 74o is so weak) than we make from his folds.

edit: also, a stop n go really only works when we close the action preflop and open the action on the flop.
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Old 11-20-2007, 11:03 PM
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The stop and go is over-rated .

I'd fold 7-4 off-suit for sure . You have fold equity on your very next hand if you shove which will certainly be a better hand than 7-4 off-suit .

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But jay, Villain is 1st to act the next hand, where if he has any sort of decent hand, will shove. We'll have 335 chips left after posting, so we pretty much have to call with any 2. Ur right, probably any2 is better than 74o but on this hand we have way more FE no doubt.
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Old 11-22-2007, 09:20 AM
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Hand 45

(SB)Hero 455
(BB)Villain 2545

Hero posts 25, Villain posts 50. Hero has 7 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]4 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].

Hero folds.

Hand 46

Blinds are now 50/100.

(SB)Villain 2570
(BB)Hero 430

Villain posts 50, Hero posts 100. Hero has J [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]8 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].

Villain raises to 2570 (all-in). Hero?
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