Do I need both ToP and SSHE

[Gonso]

ToP should be read by every poker player regardless of game, and there is no substitute for it (although a lot of the material does appear in other sources).

SSHE is a very practical LHE book. It easily applies to all of the limits most players here are concerned about. It's had a couple critics that say some of the smaller stakes don't resemble the descriptions of the games in the book (and there is some truth to that), but it's very sound.

[amulet]

below is a list of the poker books that i consider to be the most important for my development. there is no order.

The Theory of Poker
Hold'em Poker for Advanced Players
Small Stakes Hold 'em
Harrington on Hold 'em Volume I
Harrington on Hold'em Volume II
Harrington on Hold'em Volume III
Seven Card Stud for Advanced Player
High-Low Split Poker, Seven Card Stud and Omaha Eight or Better for Advanced Players
Sklansky on Poker
Gambling Theory and Other Topics
Getting the Best of It
Inside the Poker Mind
Poker Esasys I
Poker Esasys II
Poker Eassys III
Poker, Gaming, & Life



also good:

Weighing the Odds
Middle Limit Hold 'Em
No Limit Hold 'em theory & Practice
How Good is your Limit Poker
Professional No Limit Hold 'em
Tournament Poker for Advanced Players

[Gonso]

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below is a list of the poker books that i consider to be the most important for my development. there is no order.

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Here's mine, stripped down to essentials:

LHE: Small Stakes Hold 'em
7Stud: Seven Card Stud for Advanced Players
7Stud8/O8: High/Low for Advanced Players
NLHE cash: Harrington 1 + Professional No Limit Hold 'em
NLHE tourney: Harrington 1 + 2

Immediately after reading the above I'd go straight to Theory of Poker. After that there are a number of good books to move on to if you play LHE or NLHE.

I also omitted some very good starter books like Little Green Book, Getting Started in Hold 'Em, and Hold 'em Poker. I like them, but I think you could do just as well going right to the more intermediate level books.

[Diana Ross Fan]

I'll go out and say that ToP did nothing for my game. It is an interesting laundry list of poker tactics, but I thought that 98% of it has been published in books that are easier to read.

[Pokerpun]

Does any one ever actually see a game on the internet like the games SSHE describes? Even .50/1 online seems to be tighter than the sort ofgames SSHE is aimed at

[dirty banana2007]

depends on the table and the site. sometimes you get different table conditions at the same table throughout the evening

[Flip-Flop]

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Does any one ever actually see a game on the internet like the games SSHE describes? Even .50/1 online seems to be tighter than the sort ofgames SSHE is aimed at

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Probably not online but where I play live the games are loose with family pots at 2/4, 5/10 and sometimes 10/20

[Eponymous]

I agree. When I first read SSHE, I only played online and was wondering what he was talking about. The loosest games I found online qualified as his description of tight. Then I started playing live and the loose tables were just like he described. I also see 10/20 live as the level where the play is tighter, more aggressive, and has more tricky players.

[amulet]

if you play commerce up to at least 100/200 on a weekend night you see the types of games ssh describes.

[pig4bill]

I seldom see those type of games in Vegas. On the rare occasion that I do see them, there's always a monster luckbox that's winning all the money and everyone else is chasing to try to bust him.