Stars 3r, 66 in SB facing raise

[erc007]

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This kind of situation comes up from time to time:

In one of the blinds

A good player raises

Hand seems too good to throw away but not good enough to re-raise allin with but calling leads to tough post-flop decisions

almost wish I had been dealt crap

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t1000 (8 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

CO (t38306)
Button (t78470)
Hero (t38643)
BB (t14460)
UTG (t20426)
UTG+1 (t15728)
MP1 (t6531)
MP2 (t28133)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 raises to t4000</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>,


Villain is more aggressive than most of the table but not overly so. I don't really think he is stealing, but I perceive him as a good player so my questions are:

what would his range be?

how do I react to pre-flop raise?

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Although i think u are slightly ahead of MP's range here, which i would think would be pretty wide , this is a fold IMO. You're not getting close to the odds u need to call for set-value. Calling also gives (shortstacked)BB great odds to squeeze, and when he does, MP will shove his entire range to isolate. Raising to 12-16K here sucks too, cause you're going to have to call a 4-bet and pray that it's AK. At 20-30BB's, small/med pairs (22-66) lose a lot of value IMO.

[Pokerfarian]

Effective stacks are 7x his raise. That makes it a push/fold decision. Depends on read, I guess if you "don't think he's stealing" I say fold but it wouldn't take much for this to be a shove

[TimberBee]

PF: Normally a fold, unless heæs been aggressive and stealing, then I raise AI.

Flop: CRAI, for reasons stated. You prob. have the best hand, and he's almost always betting, and he's going to have a hard time calling unless he has a Q.

[KidSensation]

You're going to be in a tough position postflop (most times) by calling pre, so I say fold pre.

As played, CRAI on the flop. I think you take down a nice pot most of the time with this play. Sign up for the next one if he instacalls...sorry, sometimes he has a Q.

[Mench]

fold preflop.

[helter skelter]

Given the feedback here, I think calling pre-flop was probably the worst option. I wasn't calling for set value, but rather thinking that the hand was too good to fold. Now I think folding or moving in would have been better, but I think I will have to pokerstove that to see which.

I thought this was a relatively good flop for me, so I bet 4000 so as no to let him catch an overcard on the turn. I didn't think about the fact he would probably make a continuation bet and I could ckrse allin. I guess what was going thru my mind was how giving a free turn card could only hurt me.


PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t1000 (8 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

CO (t38306)
Button (t78470)
Hero (t38643)
BB (t14460)
UTG (t20426)
UTG+1 (t15728)
MP1 (t6531)
MP2 (t28133)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 raises to t4000</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Hero calls t3500, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>.

Flop: (t8200) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets t4000</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 raises to t13000</font>



So what to do now?

[JammyDodga]

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One more thing. If he's raising 4x this deep in the tournament, I doubt he's good.

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Why? I've always thought that after the ante's set in you want to be raising more because
a) there's more in the pot, so taking it down right there is good
b) a 4*BB bet with antes and a 3*bb bet without give people about the same odds to call...

however I have heard it said before that you should be raising less late in the tourney, so I'm open to convincing.

[JammyDodga]

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One more thing. If he's raising 4x this deep in the tournament, I doubt he's good.

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Why? I've always thought that after the ante's set in you want to be raising more because
a) there's more in the pot, so taking it down right there is good
b) a 4*BB bet with antes and a 3*bb bet without give people about the same odds to call...

however I have heard it said before that you should be raising less late in the tourney, so I'm open to convincing.

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Bump - anyone got some advice on this?

[JammyDodga]

bump

[NU Star]

With short stacks late a 2.5-3x raise can often get you the same results as a 4x raise and risks less of your stack. Also, 4x raise is often a strength tell, unless that is for some reason his standard raise.