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10-19-2007, 05:00 PM
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Re: Being told \"professional poker doesn\'t contribute to society.\"
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[ QUOTE ] How many jobs actually contribute to society? [/ QUOTE ] probably like 99% of jobs. off the top of my head, i can't think of a single "real job" that doesn't contribute. examples? [/ QUOTE ] Ok, I haven't read this whole thread but was going to respond without reading more but this quote is a perfect entry point. Fundamentally I disagree with this. I work in the oil and gas world. I am engineer who helps design control systems that help oil and gas facilities run properly and run safely. I contribute to society, but I contribute in a negative way. I think a lot of our jobs that contribute to society contribute in a negative way. I know I am going to need to expand on that, so I will. I am not an activist or an environmentalist but regardless of that I fully understand that the culture we live in is raping our planet and for what? Economics. So do I contribute to the economic foundation of society? Yes, I do. Does a poker player? No, he does not. Do I contribute to the environmental foundation of society? Yes, I do - in a negative way. Does a poker player? No, he does not - in anyway. So although poker players do not actively contribute to society they also do nothing to harm society either, so they are somewhat neutral. As small of a distinction as that is I think it is an important one. 
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10-19-2007, 05:09 PM
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Re: Being told \"professional poker doesn\'t contribute to society.\"
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] How many jobs actually contribute to society? [/ QUOTE ] probably like 99% of jobs. off the top of my head, i can't think of a single "real job" that doesn't contribute. examples? [/ QUOTE ] Ok, I haven't read this whole thread but was going to respond without reading more but this quote is a perfect entry point. Fundamentally I disagree with this. I work in the oil and gas world. I am engineer who helps design control systems that help oil and gas facilities run properly and run safely. I contribute to society, but I contribute in a negative way. I think a lot of our jobs that contribute to society contribute in a negative way. I know I am going to need to expand on that, so I will. I am not an activist or an environmentalist but regardless of that I fully understand that the culture we live in is raping our planet and for what? Economics. So do I contribute to the economic foundation of society? Yes, I do. Does a poker player? No, he does not. Do I contribute to the environmental foundation of society? Yes, I do - in a negative way. Does a poker player? No, he does not - in anyway. So although poker players do not actively contribute to society they also do nothing to harm society either, so they are somewhat neutral. As small of a distinction as that is I think it is an important one. [/ QUOTE ] So if the place you worked Blew up...thered be no effect? Gas and oil...dont countries go to war for this? I think its funny for people to downplay their lack of contribution...theres an awesome tradeoff...MONEY...lets you provide for your family. Theres just too many of you guys losing alot of money, and then to think it also is completely useless to society as a whole makes you feel even worse!
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10-19-2007, 05:13 PM
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Re: Being told \"professional poker doesn\'t contribute to society.\"
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] How many jobs actually contribute to society? [/ QUOTE ] probably like 99% of jobs. off the top of my head, i can't think of a single "real job" that doesn't contribute. examples? [/ QUOTE ] Ok, I haven't read this whole thread but was going to respond without reading more but this quote is a perfect entry point. Fundamentally I disagree with this. I work in the oil and gas world. I am engineer who helps design control systems that help oil and gas facilities run properly and run safely. I contribute to society, but I contribute in a negative way. I think a lot of our jobs that contribute to society contribute in a negative way. I know I am going to need to expand on that, so I will. I am not an activist or an environmentalist but regardless of that I fully understand that the culture we live in is raping our planet and for what? Economics. So do I contribute to the economic foundation of society? Yes, I do. Does a poker player? No, he does not. Do I contribute to the environmental foundation of society? Yes, I do - in a negative way. Does a poker player? No, he does not - in anyway. So although poker players do not actively contribute to society they also do nothing to harm society either, so they are somewhat neutral. As small of a distinction as that is I think it is an important one. [/ QUOTE ] So if the place you worked Blew up...thered be no effect? Gas and oil...dont countries go to war for this? I think its funny for people to downplay their lack of contribution...theres an awesome tradeoff...MONEY...lets you provide for your family. Theres just too many of you guys losing alot of money, and then to think it also is completely useless to society as a whole makes you feel even worse! [/ QUOTE ] Huh? Are you retarded or something? I make money at poker and always have. I make money for oil and gas companies. If the place i worked at blew up and everyone died there would be some consequence - big oil companies would make a little less money until they found a replacement contract company to accomplish their plundering for them. There may be a little less money in the stock market - big deal. Also, I dont' really understand what the [censored] you are talking about. Countries go to war over oil. that is not an argument that oil contributes positively to society. In fact, I would say that is a counter argument taht agrees with the thesis of my above post. ps. BTW - wtf does jesus have to do with any of this?
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10-19-2007, 05:38 PM
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Re: Being told \"professional poker doesn\'t contribute to society.\"
ONe of the reasons I dislike playing poker, is because I feel it is completely and utterly a waste of people's talent. I look at Dan Neaugrano, Phil Ivey, and Doyle Brunson, and see people who can read people, and could actively contribute to society in a positive way, with their people abilities. I think the best example I could think of, is what would Stu Ungar have done with that incredible mind under different circumstances? If poker players were just going to go out and do something like day trade, or work in real estate, thats a different story, but if they could have helped a group of people, or contributed in a different way, than I think playing poker is a waste of talent.
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10-19-2007, 05:45 PM
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Re: Being told \"professional poker doesn\'t contribute to society.\"
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ONe of the reasons I dislike playing poker, is because I feel it is completely and utterly a waste of people's talent. I look at Dan Neaugrano, Phil Ivey, and Doyle Brunson, and see people who can read people, and could actively contribute to society in a positive way, with their people abilities. I think the best example I could think of, is what would Stu Ungar have done with that incredible mind under different circumstances? If poker players were just going to go out and do something like day trade, or work in real estate, thats a different story, but if they could have helped a group of people, or contributed in a different way, than I think playing poker is a waste of talent. [/ QUOTE ] commy.
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10-19-2007, 05:47 PM
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Re: Being told \"professional poker doesn\'t contribute to society.\"
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ONe of the reasons I dislike playing poker, is because I feel it is completely and utterly a waste of people's talent. I look at Dan Neaugrano, Phil Ivey, and Doyle Brunson, and see people who can read people, and could actively contribute to society in a positive way, with their people abilities. I think the best example I could think of, is what would Stu Ungar have done with that incredible mind under different circumstances? If poker players were just going to go out and do something like day trade, or work in real estate, thats a different story, but if they could have helped a group of people, or contributed in a different way, than I think playing poker is a waste of talent. [/ QUOTE ] This is an illusion. Many poker pros would fail in the real world. Many have unique personalities that work only for poker.
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10-19-2007, 05:50 PM
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Re: Being told \"professional poker doesn\'t contribute to society.\"
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[ QUOTE ] ONe of the reasons I dislike playing poker, is because I feel it is completely and utterly a waste of people's talent. I look at Dan Neaugrano, Phil Ivey, and Doyle Brunson, and see people who can read people, and could actively contribute to society in a positive way, with their people abilities. I think the best example I could think of, is what would Stu Ungar have done with that incredible mind under different circumstances? If poker players were just going to go out and do something like day trade, or work in real estate, thats a different story, but if they could have helped a group of people, or contributed in a different way, than I think playing poker is a waste of talent. [/ QUOTE ] This is an illusion. Many poker pros would fail in the real world. Many have unique personalities that work only for poker. [/ QUOTE ] Yes, "many" poker pro's, but great people don't come along too often, and I hate to think they would have been lost because they got hooked on the easy "winning at cards." ok, raquetball time.
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10-19-2007, 06:17 PM
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Re: Being told \"professional poker doesn\'t contribute to society.\"
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ONe of the reasons I dislike playing poker, is because I feel it is completely and utterly a waste of people's talent. I look at Dan Neaugrano, Phil Ivey, and Doyle Brunson, and see people who can read people, and could actively contribute to society in a positive way, with their people abilities. I think the best example I could think of, is what would Stu Ungar have done with that incredible mind under different circumstances? If poker players were just going to go out and do something like day trade, or work in real estate, thats a different story, but if they could have helped a group of people, or contributed in a different way, than I think playing poker is a waste of talent. [/ QUOTE ] Who the [censored] are you to dictate how they should or shouldn't use their talent???
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10-19-2007, 06:19 PM
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Re: Being told \"professional poker doesn\'t contribute to society.\"
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[ QUOTE ] ONe of the reasons I dislike playing poker, is because I feel it is completely and utterly a waste of people's talent. I look at Dan Neaugrano, Phil Ivey, and Doyle Brunson, and see people who can read people, and could actively contribute to society in a positive way, with their people abilities. I think the best example I could think of, is what would Stu Ungar have done with that incredible mind under different circumstances? If poker players were just going to go out and do something like day trade, or work in real estate, thats a different story, but if they could have helped a group of people, or contributed in a different way, than I think playing poker is a waste of talent. [/ QUOTE ] Who the [censored] are you to dictate how they should or shouldn't use their talent??? [/ QUOTE ] reading comprehension yo
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10-19-2007, 06:26 PM
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Re: Being told \"professional poker doesn\'t contribute to society.\"
You would need to re-write your definition of contribution to society by including not harming the planet / other human beings in the process.
You would wipe out entire industries of jobs if you did that. There are is a huge % of jobs that contribute to society very purely like doctors and nurses and firemen, but there are also millions of jobs out there that provide you a product or service that was produced by destroying / killing something else. It becomes hypocritical to say something about contributing to society when they turn around and support something that DOES NOT contribute to society positively. When someone says poker players need to do something else and contribute to society I don't see them screaming for societal contribution when they go buy cigarettes / a hamburger / toilet paper / buying a brand new construction home / buying a shoe from Nike / buying diamonds that come from wartorn countries etc etc. Each of those purchases come at an expense or destruction from something else for their own personal enjoyment.
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