Another question on player preferences. - Page 2

PokrLikeItsProse · #1 12-01-2007, 05:49 PM

I like a betting line as an unambiguous demarcation. I am also okay with a betting line being loosely enforced, with the idea that initial violations get warnings and that habitual violators get strictly enforced. I don't mind if dealers are a bit more lenient toward people like the elderly if they are making errors in good faith. I do like it as a tool which dealers can selectively enforce a bit stronger against [censored] players to keep them in line.

Small Fry · #2 12-01-2007, 08:40 PM

I can go either way on the line. Not having it creates one set of potetial problems. Having it creates a different set. It doesn't really solve anything.

As for having it but not enforcing it. Or loosely enforcing it....hmmmm. Need to think some more about it, but my intial thoughts are this just opens up more problems. It's there but it's not...??

If you're going to spend some time, effort and money why not just put it into additional training for the dealers on the current house rules. Re-enforce attention to detail and player intent, with some focus on controlling the action.

Seems to me most of these problems occur due to other players acting too quickly or impatience. Speed is one thing, but without accuracy, everyone will suffer. Pfapfap makes some very good points about what he expects from his customers when he deals.

NicksDad1970 · #3 12-01-2007, 11:44 PM

I don't really care either way. For a while The Grand in Tunica used it but then suddenly stopped.

Photoc · #4 12-01-2007, 11:54 PM

A story from personal experience as why I f'in HATE HATE HATE betting lines. They are designed to make you bet what you didn't want to and not allow you to bet what you wanted to.

I'm playing at GVR and I'm in the 1 seat on a NL game. I announce "bet 35" and then reach over the line and the dealer says "everything in your hand is now a bet". Ok, I'm like...wtf just happened. I ask for a floor 3 times before the dealer just finally huffs at me and calls. The floor says that the "line overules verbal even if the verbal is made before the chips go over the line in my hand". I racked up and have never set foot in the place again.

This BS of "everything in your hand" is a bet stuff is retarded. Most all poker players take out a bunch a then cut /drop what we want to bet. I have no problem with making the player make the minimum action, whether it be a bet of at least the minimum or a call.

Another problem I have is when a player throws say 7 or 8 chips out and a few of them don't clear the line or even land on it. Now there are arguments over how many actually are in play. WTF AGAIN. The player threw them out there,why are they not a bet when it CLEARLY is a bet??? And yes, it's clear they are betting them, it's not some nit uber angle shooter bs angle to test the dealer and players.

In our house we have a line, and it's stricly for courtesy for the dealers to have the players put them chips outwards so we can reach. (The CM thought it'd be a nice design without actually knowing what the lines on poker tables were, and that's another story). Any chips released in front (towards the dealer) of your cards are in play is the rule. And this is also the rule I favor as well as we try to explain it to players when they sit at the table.

PokrLikeItsProse · #5 12-02-2007, 02:37 AM

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As for having it but not enforcing it. Or loosely enforcing it....hmmmm. Need to think some more about it, but my intial thoughts are this just opens up more problems. It's there but it's not...??

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My thoughts are that there are some rules which are going to be hell if enforced in a nitty fashion, but which address legitimate concerns. I'd compare it to speed limits on the highway. I think that there definitely should be a speed limit of some sorts (some may disagree), but I think a zero-tolerance enforcement policy would be a bad idea.

When I say it should be loosely enforced, I mean that all offenses should definitely be acknowledged, but violators should be given a warning and not forced bet on the first occasion and maybe future occasions. Problem players and angle shooters should get fewer warnings.

Of course we could just make it easier and get rid of no limit, which seems like the cause of most controversies. Well, I can dream, can't I?

Oberonn · #6 12-02-2007, 03:58 AM

You have nits and angle-shooters whether there are betting lines or not, so this line of reasoning is a non-issue to me.

I like the betting lines because my vision is not what it once was and the bet lines force the end of the table players to push their chips out further. This also helps the dealers with short arms and/or large breasts reach the chips.