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12-01-2007, 12:39 PM
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Re: i\'m a huge calling station
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[ QUOTE ] i think you should raise/fold the river [/ QUOTE ] It is a big mistake imo. I can't see JJ vbetting the river with 2 callers and calling a raise 3 way and a hand like QJ is unlikely. Btn has very often a king, AA or a set. We can c/r the flop imo. With the backdoors, we have a small edge against BTN and BB is very often behind. Moreover if btn 3 bet the flop we can make a good laydown on the river. Nice to see you again Sharpie. [/ QUOTE ] inside joke [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] 
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#2
12-01-2007, 12:47 PM
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Re: i\'m a huge calling station
b/f river maybe? I like that line. He's not raising you with < trips, and he probably isn't vbetting JJ, but might call. Also a small, non-zero chance he folds AA.
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#3
12-01-2007, 12:54 PM
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Re: i\'m a huge calling station
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Also a small, non-zero chance he folds AA. [/ QUOTE ] [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] misclick ?
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#4
12-01-2007, 02:12 PM
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Re: i\'m a huge calling station
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b/f river maybe? I like that line. He's not raising you with < trips, and he probably isn't vbetting JJ, but might call. Also a small, non-zero chance he folds AA. [/ QUOTE ] I like your thought process about betting to get $$$ when you are ahead, but, no one has ever folded AA in their life here. It's just not going to happen
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#5
12-01-2007, 03:00 PM
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Re: i\'m a huge calling station
Right, i'm not expecting them to fold it, but there is a very finite (minute) chance they will. B/f'ing merely: a) prevents us from having to overcall the river (which is my only real problem with this hand) and b) commits the same ammount of money to the pot. People also tend to pay me off on the river with 2nd pair and worse after seeing me bet this river.
Edited for miles' satisfaction
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#6
12-01-2007, 03:03 PM
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Re: i\'m a huge calling station
did you mean minute instead of finite? saying "very finite" is weird.
and the % is so close to zero it doesn't strengthen the argument for betting.
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#7
12-01-2007, 03:06 PM
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Re: i\'m a huge calling station
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Right, i'm not expecting them to fold it, but there is a very finite chance they will. B/f'ing merely: a) prevents us from having to overcall the river (which is my only real problem with this hand) and b) commits the same ammount of money to the pot. People also tend to pay me off on the river with 2nd pair and worse after seeing me bet this river. [/ QUOTE ] why are we worried about overcalling? what can the BB have here that ever beats us? The fact that he CC two in the BB likely tells me that he is horrible, and if he had a K he would 100% have raised at some point in the hand. This overcall makes us money because this guy is calling down with J9 or TT or something and we are more likely to win 2BB on the river by getting him to SD his crap than we are by donking out and getting 2 calls.
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#8
12-01-2007, 03:17 PM
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Re: i\'m a huge calling station
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[ QUOTE ] Right, i'm not expecting them to fold it, but there is a very finite chance they will. B/f'ing merely: a) prevents us from having to overcall the river (which is my only real problem with this hand) and b) commits the same ammount of money to the pot. People also tend to pay me off on the river with 2nd pair and worse after seeing me bet this river. [/ QUOTE ] why are we worried about overcalling? what can the BB have here that ever beats us? The fact that he CC two in the BB likely tells me that he is horrible, and if he had a K he would 100% have raised at some point in the hand. This overcall makes us money because this guy is calling down with J9 or TT or something and we are more likely to win 2BB on the river by getting him to SD his crap than we are by donking out and getting 2 calls. [/ QUOTE ] this is exactly why donking the river is bad we dont want bb to fold but with us acting behind him he will be more likely to call with a weaker pair unsure if we'll even call but if we decided to fire out on the river we may convince him to now fold his weaker pair
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#9
12-01-2007, 12:49 PM
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Re: i\'m a huge calling station
[img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img], I'm too naive. It was strange from the expert of c/c and c/f. As played it is tough to fold the river, you would have fold the turn ?
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#10
12-01-2007, 12:51 PM
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Re: i\'m a huge calling station
capping pf is good, although I certainly don't think there is anything too wrong with just calling. You probably only have a slight equity edge 3-way, and I don't think you are giving up too much by not pushing it.
I like how you played it postflop. If I didn't cap pf I would probably just c/c down as you did. If I capped pre I probably b/c the flop and call down because I tend to be suspicious of guys playing 60/30 even 5-handed.
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