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Old 11-19-2007, 03:14 PM
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Default Re: 3 bet/fold with bottom two on the turn

I actually think checkraising a non-K/9/A on the river is going to be better slightly -- SpicyF'ing the river to save bets. This of course is assuming villain will still bet AK and AA on the river and won't FSDR very often with QQ. It's a lot closer when he FSDR's with a wider range of pairs under the K because he now will fold them to a 3bet and you definitely want that -- but if his range is mostly KQ/AK/AA/KK/99 I think calling and checkraising the river is gonna be a bit better.

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Old 11-19-2007, 04:00 PM
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I actually think checkraising a non-K/9/A on the river is going to be better slightly -- SpicyF'ing the river to save bets. This of course is assuming villain will still bet AK and AA on the river and won't FSDR very often with QQ. It's a lot closer when he FSDR's with a wider range of pairs under the K because he now will fold them to a 3bet and you definitely want that -- but if his range is mostly KQ/AK/AA/KK/99 I think calling and checkraising the river is gonna be a bit better.

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do you think theres much value in possibly inducing an incorrect fold of AA/AK? or maybe that never happens anyway?

like, if you had AK here, and your read was the BB was TAG and straightforward, would you usually call down?
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Old 11-19-2007, 04:25 PM
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Default Re: 3 bet/fold with bottom two on the turn

I like to b/3b the flop. You can trap co for bets and given your description he's gonna play pretty aggro anyway. As played I like b/3b the turn
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Old 11-19-2007, 05:18 PM
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I think I prefer bet 3 bet flop also...

BTW, do you remember what two cards where hearts? Can the CO have exactly AK of hears?
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Old 11-19-2007, 08:18 PM
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I think I prefer bet 3 bet flop also...

BTW, do you remember what two cards where hearts? Can the CO have exactly AK of hears?

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I believe the bottom two cards were hearts.

Also, I C/R'd because the person in between us was probably as likely to call two as to call one. I wasn't sure if Frederico would raise if I bet, since he is somewhat more passive than other players postflop, but I definitely considered leading out there to trap.
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Old 11-20-2007, 12:19 PM
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like, if you had AK here, and your read was the BB was TAG and straightforward, would you usually call down?

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I would try to find a place to raise a TAG here if I was the button. Seems that AK or AA is ahead WAY too often not to.
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Old 11-21-2007, 01:34 AM
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like, if you had AK here, and your read was the BB was TAG and straightforward, would you usually call down?

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I would try to find a place to raise a TAG here if I was the button. Seems that AK or AA is ahead WAY too often not to.

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i was wondering if you would call a turn 3 bet.
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