Calling a 3-bet for set value?

[urbanati]

Should I?
3-bettor is a 26/10 but today he is 10/5 in 90 hands, caller is 39/16...
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $1/$2
5 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
urbanati: $203.00
CO: $205.30
Button: $197.70
SB: $279.80
BB: $205.65

Pre-flop: (5 players) urbanati is UTG with 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
<font color="#cc0000">urbanati raises to $7</font>, CO folds, Button calls, <font color="#cc0000">SB raises to $19</font>, BB folds, urbanati...

[nickg1532]

call

[Colombo]

calling 3bets with small pairs is generally bad. However, in this situation it is 3 handed and he gave you great odds, so a call is fine.

[joeblack]

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calling 3bets with small pairs is generally bad. However, in this situation it is 3 handed and he gave you great odds, so a call is fine.

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Agreed. I called with 55 in a similiar sitiuation last night and stacked a guy with AA. If you hit your money.

[orange]

given stacks/3-bet ammt/ multiway/this is a call.

[chris269]

You have 11.8% to hit your Set. If you hit, you will win 91% of time against an overpair. This means, you will lose 88.2% 12$, will win 10.6% of time 196$, and lose 1% 196$ (when you can stack him). Given this circumstances, a call has an EV of 8.23$. This call starts to get positive EV if you can get at least ~ 120$ out of him. So you must be sure, that he is willing to play for his stack for more than 60%, to make this call +EV.

I hope my calculation is right.

[wrkingtobegreat]

*grunch* That ALL depends on whether your opponent will stack off with top pair (or hopefully with an overpair he already has)when you hit your set. Then it becomes a simple matter of pot odds. You have to call 12 to get about 190 when he stacks off. Thats 15.8-1. Your odds of flopping a set are 8-1. Thats great, but its still not that simple. He wont go all-in whenever you flop a set. Oviously the best opponent here is a nit who drastically overvalues top pair/overpair. Its very read-dependent, but here I would call I guess.

[Nielsio]

Odds are ok, you have position, and the loose player will likely come along.

-&gt; call is fine

[fees]

this is an obvious call, there is a *dead* 7 in the pot, it will be another 12 to call... pot odds would be 12:30, and EVEN MORE if button comes in which he very likely will.. so assume we have 3:1 here... on average.. so 1:3 on our money, we're 9:1 to connect

I'm not sure how to explain implied odds mathmatically, but basically if you do connect you have another 180 you can extract from him because you have position, so extraction isn't a problem.

callllllllllllll

[chris269]

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*grunch* That ALL depends on whether your opponent will stack off with top pair (or hopefully with an overpair he already has)when you hit your set. Then it becomes a simple matter of pot odds. You have to call 12 to get about 190 when he stacks off. Thats 15.8-1. Your odds of flopping a set are 8-1. Thats great, but its still not that simple. He wont go all-in whenever you flop a set. Oviously the best opponent here is a nit who drastically overvalues top pair/overpair. Its very read-dependent, but here I would call I guess.

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That's what I wrote. If you extract more than 120$ out of him, this call is +EV. If you dont open push a 238 one-siuted flop, its very likley to get this amount. Imagine any Flop with a 2. The Pot is 45, and he will bet about 30-45 with an overpair oop, you can raise, or trap him, but there is good chance to get at least 120$ from him.