stud/8 - is this worth calling down?

[Alchemist]

Kind of a retarted hand. I think 5th is a call with the OESD but I also suck at poker. Betting 6th doesn't seem like a good idea either. Had I completed 3rd, I'd probably not be in this dumb spot. Villain is a complete unknown.

7 Card Stud High-Low ($1Million/$2Million), Ante $200K, Bring-In $250K (converter)

3rd Street - (1.20 SB)

Hero: 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___calls
Seat 2: xx xx Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___folds
Seat 5: xx xx 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___calls
Seat 6: xx xx T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___calls
Seat 7: xx xx 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___brings-in
Seat 8: xx xx T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___calls

4th Street - (2.70 SB)

Hero: 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___bets
Seat 5: xx xx 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___calls
Seat 6: xx xx T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___folds
Seat 7: xx xx 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___checks___folds
Seat 8: xx xx T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___checks___folds

5th Street - (2.35 BB)

Hero: 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___checks___calls
Seat 5: xx xx 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___bets

6th Street - (4.35 BB)

Hero: 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___checks___calls
Seat 5: xx xx 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___bets

River - (6.35 BB)

Hero: 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___checks___calls
Seat 5: xx xx 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] xx___bets

Total pot: (8.35 BB)

[Tha Stunna]

Fold 5th; if you wouldnt call with T987Q you shouldnt call with 8765Q. Either way, you're not going to get much out of catching a low card that doesnt make a straight. That's a scary board you're up against. Maybe you'll make a pair, but if you had a pair on 5th instead of the low draw you should fold there too.

I can't really judge 6th, because I would not have made it there.

River is an easy call.

Why such high stakes?

[Andy B]

I play it the same, but I'd be squirming. Can I get a loan?

[mscags]

i think you played it fine, 5th is debatable but I like it I think. He doesnt have to have a low, he could have paired and whatev giving you a lot to catch that helps

[chillrob]

On which site can you find the best $1Million/$2Million Stud8 games these days anyway? I usually play $2Million/$4Million Follow The Queen, but the good games seem to be drying up lately and the variance is killing me so would like to try a split pot game.

[SweetLuckyMe]

I don't see how you can call on 5th.

[Alchemist]

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I don't see how you can call on 5th.

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Yeah I'm thinking calling 5th is bad. No matter what I catch on 6th (save possibly a 4), I'm still likely playing catch-up in at least one direction. If he doesn't have a made low, he's got a pair and a low draw that's at least as good as mine.

http://twodimes.net/h/?z=2933594
pokenum -mc 500000 -7s8 7s 8c 6h 5h qd - 8d 6s 5d 7c 6d / qh tc 9c 3c qs td 2h
7-card Stud Hi/Low 8-or-better: 500000 sampled outcomes
cards scoop HIwin HIlos HItie LOwin LOlos LOtie EV
7s 8c Qd 6h 5h 77255 173921 303582 22497 208558 88809 26766 0.427
6s 7c 8d 6d 5d 145814 303582 173921 22497 207798 88752 26766 0.573

Fortunately he finished with a 9-high straight and no low. My awful 87653 low took half.

[ceegee]

i fold 3rd. Chasing a straight is not a good idea IMO.

[2461Badugi]

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i fold 3rd. Chasing a straight is not a good idea IMO.

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Your chance of being the only low draw in this hand is too high to fold.

[magmanus]

IMO with his 3straight he is playing for high at least also and he should have raised 3rd.