10/20 Hi Lo 33(A) bricking it up, how far should i go

[MadScientist]

7 Card Stud High-Low ($10/$20), Ante $1, Bring-In $3 (converter)

3rd Street - (0.80 SB)

Hero: 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___raises
Seat 2: xx xx 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___brings-in___calls
Seat 3: xx xx Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___folds
Seat 4: xx xx 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___calls___calls
Seat 5: xx xx 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___folds
Seat 6: xx xx K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___folds
Seat 7: xx xx 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___folds
Seat 8: xx xx 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___folds

4th Street - (3.80 SB)

Hero: 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___bets
Seat 2: xx xx 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___folds
Seat 4: xx xx 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___calls

5th Street - (2.90 BB)

Hero: 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___bets
Seat 4: xx xx 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___calls

6th Street - (4.90 BB)

Hero: 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___checks___calls
Seat 4: xx xx 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___bets

River - (6.90 BB)

Hero: 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___checks___calls
Seat 4: xx xx 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] xx___bets

Total pot: (8.90 BB)

Results (in white):<font color="white">

Total pot $178 | Rake $3

Hero: [3d 3h As 2d Tc 9c Qh]

Seat 4: [4c 8d 6s 5h Kh 3s 8h] (HI: a pair of Eights; LO: 8,6,5,4,3)

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Check on fifth, Dump on sixth, seventh? I'm not sure my crying call on river is right.
I was like a 7:3 dog on fifth, a 3:1 dog on sixth against his range, so I had the equity to call on sixth, but if I call river everytime, I am laying 2 for 7. Against a bigger pair I am a 4:1 dog. Also, I could be drawing dead, though rarely.

Where should I dump it if anywhere?

[Alchemist]

I haven't looked at the results yet but I'd let it go on 6th. He caught a very good card and your hand has gone stone dead. 5th is a bad spot and one I'm undecided on. On one hand I want to bet to continue representing Aces or Aces up, maybe to induce a fold in case the 5 paired him for example.

But I think checking is better since you'll get called a lot and will face an ugly spot on 6th. I feel he'll check behind a lot since the King didn't help him unless it gave him a 4-flush. Basically you have to hit another pair on 6th and have him brick if you bet and he calls there.

[Andy B]

I see no reason to raise third. Definitely bet fourth. I guess bet fifth. Check and fold sixth. Puke. Probably fold the river as well.

[Alchemist]

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I see no reason to raise third. Definitely bet fourth. I guess bet fifth. Check and fold sixth. Puke. Probably fold the river as well.

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I think raising 3rd is ok here. It keeps the BI from continuing for free and might make the 6 more inclined to fold a later street by having him worried we have Aces.

[jsbjoe]

While it depends somewhat on the opponent, I generally don't bet 5th st. here (this would be my default line). First, opponent may check behind you, which is good considering how weak the hand is. Second, if he does bet, I probably am laying the hand down.

Fifth street is a lot like third street to me, and I will fold hands that haven't developed well.

On this hand, it's an easy fold on 6th street even if fifth is bet. His three is an awful card for you.

[Rush17]

The one card that you didn't want your opponent to catch, he caught. Your 3! If he was playing for a low/straight, that 3 is an AWFUL card because more than likely it has helped him not hurt/paired him.

While I agree the raise on 3rd has merit (for all the reasons Alchemist illustrated), I think I'd let it go on 6th.

I'm still a little torn on 5th (check or bet) and I feel that 5th is probably the most player dependant streets that will sway me one way or the other. But, if you're gonna call 6th (cringe), then suck it up and call the river as I feel those streets are two-fold; don't like it, though.

[jsbjoe]

Although the points made in favor of raising on third street are well taken, I think the hand is only worth a call. The reason is that this ten dollar game has only a one dollar ante (literally half what is needs to be). With virtually no money in the pot, all of the reasons for raising carry a lot less weight.

I hate the $1 ante structure, as it takes a lot of the play (and skill) out of the game. This is of course by design, as Poker Stars caters to nits in every possible way. I gotta believe that the regular posters on here would do a lot better in a game with a larger ante.

I never played stud in the old days, but I have heard that Vegas (for exactly the same reasons as PokerStars) offered a 1-3 stud game with no ante whatsoever. People have told me it was populated by old geezers who literally drove their trailers to Vegas and lived in casino parking lots. They supplemented their social security checks by playing in these games and waiting for REALLY BIG PAIRS, and fashioned themselves to be professional poker players.

Somebody get PokerStars to change this ridiculous ante structure.

[2461Badugi]

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I hate the $1 ante structure, as it takes a lot of the play (and skill) out of the game. This is of course by design, as Poker Stars caters to nits in every possible way. I gotta believe that the regular posters on here would do a lot better in a game with a larger ante.


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This would be true if people in the Stars games actually played tighter because of it. Given that they don't, the low ante is actually much better for good players.

[SweetLuckyMe]

Looks good up until 6th. Check/fold 6th st.