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Old 11-13-2006, 10:03 PM
JMP300z JMP300z is offline
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Default 10/25 NL shallowly deep. I dont want to fold but calling sucks.

5 handed.

hero has 4000 villain covers.
I raise Ah9o to 100 CO. Button calls.

Flop 9 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]7 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]4 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] I lead for 200, button raises to 1150.

hero has been out of line in general, villain has been calling a lot preflop and generally folding to my cbets, is generally bad and im sensing is fed up w/ bs.

hero?

-JP
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Old 11-13-2006, 10:19 PM
BobboFitos BobboFitos is offline
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Default Re: 10/25 NL shallowly deep. I dont want to fold but calling sucks.

umm if you dont want to fold and you think pushing is > calling, obv push? what am i missing? do you want ppl to say its ok? [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]
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Old 11-13-2006, 10:39 PM
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Default Re: 10/25 NL shallowly deep. I dont want to fold but calling sucks.

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umm if you dont want to fold and you think pushing is > calling, obv push? what am i missing? do you want ppl to say its ok? [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

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yah i guess i kinda answered my q. thanks for the support.

hugs [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

Only hesitation was due to being semi deep and pushing for a an overbet into a pot that began smallish (now is medium small i guess), vs an opponent who has shown little aggr. and me holding the key semibluff crd for him to have.

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Old 11-13-2006, 11:10 PM
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Default Re: 10/25 NL shallowly deep. I dont want to fold but calling sucks.

fold it. he's got to expect you to sometimes have the Ah and shove it with your laggy image, so his raise shows a lot of strength. i expect to see a set/flush here a ton.
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Old 11-14-2006, 10:58 AM
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Default Re: 10/25 NL shallowly deep. I dont want to fold but calling sucks.

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fold it. he's got to expect you to sometimes have the Ah and shove it with your laggy image, so his raise shows a lot of strength. i expect to see a set/flush here a ton.

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Given the circumstances you describe, I am totally with fsuplayer here.
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Old 11-13-2006, 10:21 PM
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Default Re: 10/25 NL shallowly deep. I dont want to fold but calling sucks.

all your options kind of suck here--but they all suck about equally so i dont think it really matters what you do. if he's the type to raise/fold with a wide range of hands i'm obv pushing. if he's the type to check a lot of turns if i call then i'm calling. if he's a nit and always has a set/baby flush when he raises in this spot then i'm folding.
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Old 11-14-2006, 03:17 PM
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Default Re: 10/25 NL shallowly deep. I dont want to fold but calling sucks.

I've been pushing in spots like this a lot lately and in general getting stacked off [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img] For some reason, though, his line actually doesn't convey a huge amounts of strength to me, and I disagree with those saying his range is weighted heavily towards sets and flushes. I would not be at all surprised to see a one pair-type hand there against which we're good (sort of) given OP's description of table dynamics. I would probably end up pushing here both a semi-bluff and for value.

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Old 11-14-2006, 03:27 PM
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Default Re: 10/25 NL shallowly deep. I dont want to fold but calling sucks.

His raise looks like a bluff. This is very important. He's jacking up a 200 bet 5x. Why would he do this with a hand that he thinks has a good possibility of being best, IE: Top pair +flush draw etc. Instead he would make a normal reasonable raise to maybe 600. This looks like a case where hes making his bet look like a bluff, hoping the hero sees it as a raise of frustration and will push back with Overpair+flush draw, just Overpair etc. Or, it really is a bluff, in which case he will be giving up after that raise, so your risking your whole 4000 to take down that 1200 of his, I don't like. He's not calling off your c/r with a worse hand or putting more money into the pot via a bluff. Wait for a better spot
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Old 11-14-2006, 04:50 PM
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Default Re: 10/25 NL shallowly deep. I dont want to fold but calling sucks.

5 handed, you have a monster, this is an easy shove. I would probably fold JJ to this flop raise mind you.
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Old 11-14-2006, 07:49 PM
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Default Re: 10/25 NL shallowly deep. I dont want to fold but calling sucks.

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5 handed, you have a monster, this is an easy shove. I would probably fold JJ to this flop raise mind you.

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Is this an analysis?

-JP
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