Post your unpaired hands... - Page 4

Broom · #31 07-25-2006, 01:10 AM

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I'm co-authoring with Byron Jacobs.

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Wow, very nice. [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

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Can I ask what Byron Jacobs' handle is on 2+2? I enjoy his columns in the Mag.

econophile · #32 07-25-2006, 01:35 AM

Limit: $5/$10
6 players
Converter

Pre-flop: (6 players) econ_tim is CO with 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
UTG calls, UTG+1 folds, econ_tim raises, Button calls, SB calls, BB calls, UTG calls.

Flop: J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (10SB, 5 players)
SB bets, BB folds, UTG calls, econ_tim calls, Button folds.

Turn: 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (6.5BB, 3 players)
SB bets, UTG calls, econ_tim raises, SB calls, UTG calls.

River: 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (12.5BB, 3 players)
SB bets, UTG calls, econ_tim folds.

Results:
Final pot: 14.5BB

SB is around 35/7/1.4 and UTG is calling station

couple of questionable plays: normally i raise flop, but sometimes i call. on the turn, the raise might be too thin.

edit: this might not be the type of hand you are looking for since i didn't exactly miss the flop.

Dazarath · #33 07-25-2006, 02:46 AM

Here's a couple for fun:

Party Poker 5/10 Hold'em (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Preflop: Hero is BB with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
3 folds, SB raises, Hero 3-bets, SB calls.

Flop: (6 SB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, SB calls.

Turn: (4 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, SB calls.

River: (6 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, SB calls.

Final Pot: 8 BB

Party Poker 5/10 Hold'em (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
Hero raises, 1 fold, CO 3-bets, 3 folds, Hero caps, CO calls.

Flop: (9.40 SB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, CO calls.

Turn: (5.70 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, CO checks.

River: (5.70 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, CO calls.

Final Pot: 7.70 BB

Party Poker 5/10 Hold'em (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Preflop: Hero is BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG raises, 4 folds, Hero 3-bets, UTG calls.

Flop: (6.40 SB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, UTG calls.

Turn: (4.20 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG checks.

River: (4.20 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, UTG calls.

Final Pot: 6.20 BB

krishan · #34 07-25-2006, 11:41 AM

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Limit: $5/$10
6 players
Converter

Pre-flop: (6 players) econ_tim is CO with 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
UTG calls, UTG+1 folds, econ_tim raises, Button calls, SB calls, BB calls, UTG calls.

Flop: J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (10SB, 5 players)
SB bets, BB folds, UTG calls, econ_tim calls, Button folds.

Turn: 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (6.5BB, 3 players)
SB bets, UTG calls, econ_tim raises, SB calls, UTG calls.

River: 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (12.5BB, 3 players)
SB bets, UTG calls, econ_tim folds.

Results:
Final pot: 14.5BB

SB is around 35/7/1.4 and UTG is calling station

couple of questionable plays: normally i raise flop, but sometimes i call. on the turn, the raise might be too thin.

edit: this might not be the type of hand you are looking for since i didn't exactly miss the flop.

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That turn raise is a little gross. If you work under the assumption that turn raises with big draws based on equity is never really +EV in shorthand poker I'd say you are playing correctly 99% of the time.

Krishan

krishan · #35 07-25-2006, 11:43 AM

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Here's a couple for fun:

Party Poker 5/10 Hold'em (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Preflop: Hero is BB with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
3 folds, SB raises, Hero 3-bets, SB calls.

Flop: (6 SB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, SB calls.

Turn: (4 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, SB calls.

River: (6 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, SB calls.

Final Pot: 8 BB

Party Poker 5/10 Hold'em (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
Hero raises, 1 fold, CO 3-bets, 3 folds, Hero caps, CO calls.

Flop: (9.40 SB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, CO calls.

Turn: (5.70 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, CO checks.

River: (5.70 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, CO calls.

Final Pot: 7.70 BB

Party Poker 5/10 Hold'em (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Preflop: Hero is BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG raises, 4 folds, Hero 3-bets, UTG calls.

Flop: (6.40 SB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, UTG calls.

Turn: (4.20 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG checks.

River: (4.20 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, UTG calls.

Final Pot: 6.20 BB

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I think first is definitely expert.

I'm torn on the second hand. I really want to bet the turn. Most of the time are you check folding? Check calling and folding the river? The river is [censored] beautiful though.

Third hand is the same as the second one.

Fantastic river value bets. I have an essay in the draft on when to value bet ace high on the river and these hands capture the essence perfectly.

Krishan

econophile · #36 07-25-2006, 11:46 AM

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That turn raise is a little gross. If you work under the assumption that turn raises with big draws based on equity is never really +EV in shorthand poker I'd say you are playing correctly 99% of the time.

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I can think of a few reasons why I wouldn't want to raise the turn based on equity. First, a small chance of being 3-bet by a better hand makes raising -EV. Second, I will usually be able to raise on the river if I make my hand. Is this what you meant?

bbbushu · #37 07-25-2006, 01:02 PM

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Fantastic river value bets. I have an essay in the draft on when to value bet ace high on the river and these hands capture the essence perfectly.

Krishan

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can you talk more about this? i think this is a place where i probably consistently miss out on and/or lose a bet and it's a fairly common situation. -or- when will the draft be complete? [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Dazarath · #38 07-25-2006, 03:16 PM

Krishan, I should point out a couple things about those hands.

First, those were obviously ones where my river value bet succeeded. I have ones where I thought I was value betting, got called by middle pair, and kind of felt like a chump. But in PT, it's easier for me to scan through the hands looking for the ones I won, where I did not have a hand that included a pair of A/K or a straight.

Secondly, in two of those hands (not sure about the third), there was some history between the villain and myself. I run into a lot of players who will push with any pair, so the fact that they play so complacently implies a hand that wants a cheap showdown, ie A/K-high. Plus, I think they were just out to get me.

Third, I so rarely fold AK-high, especially in HU 3-bet pots.

econophile · #39 07-25-2006, 09:24 PM

Full Tilt Poker
Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $5/$10
4 players
Converter

Pre-flop: (4 players) econ_tim is Button with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
UTG raises, econ_tim 3-bets, SB folds, BB calls, UTG calls.

Flop: J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (9.5SB, 3 players)
BB checks, UTG bets, econ_tim folds, BB folds.
Uncalled bets: 1SB returned to UTG.

Results:
Final pot: 4.75BB

give up too easily?

only 20 hands on villain, and they are mined. the numbers are 20/40/10. but i'm not putting much weight on that.

bbbushu · #40 07-26-2006, 04:21 AM

dazarath - any chance i could pm/email you to talk about what kind of thoughts are useful in these situations?